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Just giving this a quick listen at work - enjoying it. Will try to burn to CD and giver it more attention later.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: September 03, 2014, 04:46:32 AM »
Had a listen to the Bandcamp stream last week Andy, before other events took over my existence  ::)

Liked it a lot, the originality stands out, will get the download imminently.

Thanks for the support and interest everyone.

I know it is unfasionable but I am interested in what people experience when listening to the sounds/music and any thoughts or comments - either public or message are much appreciated.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: September 03, 2014, 03:07:01 AM »
Seeing the Seren Ffordd thread tipped me off to explore the massive Umbra catalog again, so recently, all by Seren:

The Quiet Labyrinth
Realms beyond the stars and light
The Portals Dreaming
A Melancholy Light

Special music, special label...


Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: September 03, 2014, 03:05:46 AM »
Thanks for the thumbs up on the music.

I also like that I can't remember how made some of the sounds, so they are unique to the album as i can't reproduce them.

Hi Darren, welcome back.

Downloaded some of the music downloaded today...

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: August 23, 2014, 04:01:29 AM »
On rM I was asked if I could say more about the Fractured trilogy and why the use of acoustic sound sources:

The Fractured trilogy developed over a number of years from the initial inspiration – the moment of ‘fracture’ when a musician pours the first sound into the waiting space, breaking the silence.

Initially I hoped it would be a single release. I was going to record an album where I fractured sound in a variety of ways, but with an extra twist….I wanted to keep the foundation of each track in the same order, but shift the later additions around creating 4 versions of the album – so if people were commenting about the music even the feedback would be fractured as people tried to understand why they were hearing the same things but in different places…..

Unfortunately it sounded like crap – the tracks had their own integrity and cohesion, despite the concept and sound processing, they could not be broken in that way.

Over time I found a variety of ways of ‘playing’ with the music – out of which Fractured II arose, as I continued to record and explored other sounds ‘Shards’ started to materialise.

Fractured I is on the way to release – and I like the way it is coming after the third part, continuing the concept in yet another way.

Fractured II (7 Broken Mirrors) will appear last, self released on Bandcamp. It will include a bunch of artwork images that I originally designed for a very limited 3 disc set.

As for the acoustic aspect – a bit of background – I love being in wild places where there are little or no sound of human activity. I had the pleasure of living and working in a large ancient forest in North Wales for about 5 years. Many people could not understand why I did not take a walkman….But I loved the ‘silence’ and by merging into it I met some very interesting beings in the woods, like a snake that always shed it’s skin in the same place, like birds of prey that came really close because I was not noisy or ‘separate’.

I find acoustic sounds more subtle, complex etc than a guitar or even a synth. The susurrations of tree leaves in the wind, the complex interplay of quiet sounds in a gentle stream. Listening to these I find myself drifting through the sounds, drawn to this, then called by that. Given my history of laying in Motorhead bass bins as a youngster……

I used field recorder to capture sounds from all sorts of places – such as wine glass for Shards, bird wing for Fractured etc. Then I started playing with them in a number of ways including separating out frequencies in a single sound and then shifting them in time so they shifted through each other. I might pass a sound through a number of effects, then back again, then pull out certain frequencies or textures – finding aspects of the sound not usually heard. Often I layered different treatments of the same sound together, creating new and shifting textures.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: August 22, 2014, 12:03:42 AM »

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: USB albums
« on: August 20, 2014, 02:26:51 AM »
that looks very nice.

Hey, good luck with the tour Jez.

I don't know if there is a link - it was on BBC radio 4 and called 'learning to listen' - I only caught the programme halfway through.

They were using diary writings to explore the changes in listening styles following the invention of the loudspeaker - though I think they interpreted the change to more casual listening as progress....

I too use headphones for everything (my studio is not the shape or size to use my speakers properly)...

There was a radio programme recently that explored the shift in radio listening from headphones to speakers, describing how people stepped away from purposeful, intense and personal listening to shared experience and doing other things such as eating - making the music a secondary element of the experience.

People even danced to it which they could not with the headsets.....

Back to subject - it can be hard to get things right, but I use the approach that I make it as good as I can on my headphones, then accept that it will generally sound different on every other sound source.

I use Grado SR 325's to record and mix, then Beyerdynamic DT931's to see how it might sound on hi-fi's, then on smaller sennheiser headphones for more general sound.....

This is one of those discussions that is hard to comment in, each time I write something I scrap it before posting.

Thanks to Paul for all your positive and reconciliatory posts. Also to Pete supporting the other aspects of music

Steve Roach has been around a long time and created a wide range of music. Some of it I love, some I just don't get. After first getting into his music when I bought everything I could, I now go through phases and am more thoughtful about what I buy and when. It is the same with all the bands/artists/musicians I listen to.

The Fever Dreams series is one I don't get and despite being a drummer who would definitely come under 'Tribal' his more tribal type music since 'The Serpents Lair' also does nothing for me.

But it would never occur to me to say he was wrong in his choice of direction, after all it is his choice, his music, not mine. It would be like saying Rothko uses the wrong colours, Andy Warhol should not have painted a different soup can or Constable should have left the cart out of the picture.....

The distinctions between opinion, experience, wisdom, naivity, preference and fact can all be a little hard to keep hold of (or even find). Einstein ripped through established 'fact', but still got things wrong.

If I don't like parts of an artists repetoire I have choices - accept I don't get it and don't listen or listen and see if I can find the music.

Or given current technical facilities on computers I could eq it and burn a CD I enjoy.

I did have the chance some years back to review albums for a magazine. But after realising that if I don't like an album it is likely to be due to my personal preference or personal ignorance I chose not to comment unless I had something positrive to say. Advertising my own ignorance is not a pleasant sight and I definitely felt better promoting those I did enjoy - already too much unhappiness in the worlld.

However, to contradict myself, as a drummer, who is naive, but had some amazing feedback - I acknowledge I am more able to be judgemental about drummers than electronic musicians - so I suppose I have a personal preference about where I am judgemental and where I am compassionate.......

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: August 16, 2014, 10:12:26 AM »
That sounds an interesting read right enough.

I have recently bought 3 books ; The Picts A History, Before Scotland, Archaeology and Early History of Angus. Currently researching this era of the start of civilisation  ;) Loads of ancient Pictish stones, forts etc round about my area.

Have some musical ideas kicking about on this theme also if I ever get my finger out and get back into recording again.

Looking forward to hearing your new release.

You might enjoy listening to 'Lament of a Forgotten God' on my bandcamp page too - I think there are images of the cover somewhere back in this thread...
added - page 2

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: August 16, 2014, 05:37:09 AM »
I'd been to the fort on a number of times previously so the fort itself was not the inspiration -but I was looking for a particular quality of light for the artwork (before I started messing with it).

You may find 'The Keys to Avalon' a very interesting book if you are interested in that aspect of history and getting a more accurate picture of what did and did not happen.....if you read it Id be interested in your thoughts....

Can we get a little love for my favorite, "Early Man"?

And I've spent much time with Dream Circle on endless loop...

need to spin that again....

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: August 14, 2014, 07:32:36 AM »
Thanks Martyn, it took a little work in photoshop to get it like that.

The photo was a sunrise from the base of an iron age fort in south wales - Llancayo.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: August 14, 2014, 06:54:52 AM »
New release coming out on relaxed Machinery:

Will be available as a download from Bandcamp.

Shards is the 3rd album in the Fractured trilogy.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Any Genesis fans?
« on: August 12, 2014, 07:57:10 AM »
funnily enough Genesis never grabbed, despite Peter Gabriel's creativity.

Now the Pentatuech of Cosmology - great album and great art....

Id also recommend 'On This Planet' and 'Light Fantastic'

I agree with sam.

I shudder when I hear people talk about 'consuming' music, when younger people play music on devices that sound absolutely crap, when even sales are more important than the music itself.

He listens to music the way I do so long may he run his label the way he does.

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