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Everything and Nothing / Re: Drones
« on: October 01, 2008, 12:56:32 AM »
Not forgettig that the Australian Aborigines and Tibetan manks have been droning for a very long time too.

Was listening to 'infinite sea of sustain' earlier. FFB is definitely a new path for him and definitely deserves a listen with lots of attention.

Joe R said "He Spoke in Dead Tongues" is liquid bliss, entrancing, and completely in another world of sound. - a little sentence that is like getting an entrancing smell of cooking as going into a restaurant, sets the aural taste buds going overtime....

I think rules are very important in many ways and we get into very subtle discussions when exploring them - we all tend to follow convention in some way or other, whether it's in our dress sense or just not hitting people because we feel like it. I remember a group of punks I was part of decrying conventional beauty, who were not happy when i suggested we had not really broken that 'rule' because none of us actually made ourselves ugly, we did not smell of piss or have rotten teeth - we had just changed the ideal of beauty and worked at embodying it

It's important to know what you are doing when you challenge or break rules, not just break them because it's easy. If you don't understand them how can you know what you are choosing to avoid. I knew a pagan animal rights group that had dispensed with the concept of 'Lord and Lady' because of their own reactions to human authority and without, it seemed, any idea of what these concepts might actually mean in the owrlds they were exploring....

I never had any drumming or muical tuition and I recognise both the limits this creates in my musical creation and the opportunites - I spent a little while drumming with a really tight samba band and learnt things that really took my drumming to a new level - gave me more form and rules around which I could improvise.

I hate to have to say this, but... since the words "Church" and "Religion" and "God" appear above, I need to remind everyone to behave and stop short of heavy religious discussions. 

I'm not implying at all that I think that's where this is headed, just making extra-sure to remind everyone where we DON'T want to let this go, OK?

Hear hear. Or is it here here...

especially with the news of a german man being arrested after travelling to England and murdering someone he had been arguing with in an internet forum.....Not sure whether to think "What are we coming to?" or admiring his dedication and passion - even if completely mad and misguided!!!!

For me the creativity goes both ways and i think that is what enabled the multi faceted aspects described by 9dragons in ancient societies. These societies lived and dreamt with those energies, co created. Ancient irish moneylenders were able to make contracts where the money was paid back in the next life. Native American dances after a hunt are still affecting the hunt that just happened.

Very few cultures are as limited and linear in their understanding of the world, time, the essence of humanity and other worlds around them as we are. Everything is in a line, everyone is trying to get to the top, individual and singular - so there is nothing bu myself and i am defined by one thing - whatever i choose that to be.

For me it's not just about me reaching out for the ineffable, the the unknown beyond my current understanding, but how the ineffable is expressed through me, even in 'ordinary' daily living. Sometimes I try to create music that I pull out of my own imagination - other times it is what my imagination is trying to pull out of me.

On a lighter note i include a post i made on another forum about electronic music. There was humurous discussion about sequences and ambience - termed here ambulance..... ::)

I use more of the ambulance than anything else. Sequences are ok but get in the way of exploring the infinite subtleties of ambulance. The ambulance artist may want to sound like some of Tangerine Dream but not all of it or all the time.

Ambulance can be created by synthesizers or by finding sounds. Sound actually occurs almost all the time and is played by the universe more often than music - of any genre. Some ambulance is a direct recreation of the sounds of the universe - a sort of shorter cover version of reality. Other ambulance is intended to create the sounds of worlds not actually in existence, like the sound of a planet urinating. In some ways this ambulance is a sonic version of david attenborough nature programmes in which we look at the world speeded up or slowed right down - nice on the eyes but not actually how things are.

Found sounds can include instruments, such as the rain on a stick, or goat hoof rattles (once the rest of the goat has been moved somewhere else). Found sounds can also be recordings made in fields (usually under the cover of darkness to avoid looking stupid) Sounds found in fields have included thunder, flying aeroplanes, whales, waterfalls, jungles and industrial factories. other found sounds include humans making as much noise as possible by throwing things like metal sheets around or even singing.

Found sounds are often treated by forcing them through a variety of effects and processes such as echo, phasing, flanging, reversing, stretching etc until the original sound can no longer be recognised - part of the fun is trying to work out how the sound was created......

Ambulance can be used for background sounds whilst be creative on something else, for meditation or just simply going to sleep. It is often admired by people who find paint drying a bit too exciting unless it is a long weekend and they have just had a nice cup of tea.

Hope that raised a smile or too ;D ;D

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: e/i Magazine / Audio Verité returns
« on: September 23, 2008, 11:13:04 AM »
It is good to have you back

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: New Grassow on Nextera?
« on: September 23, 2008, 11:10:59 AM »
I'd recommend Dissolution. It is another that grows on you, it took  me some time (and a better stereo) to hear the subtleties in it. Others I enjoy are Sphere, True North, Space and Eclipse.

Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 22, 2008, 12:53:22 PM »
It's depressing that some people are still surprised when they are caught out by a particular economic bubble bursting. Maybe those who run banks should study economic history before taking up their jobs. It's not as if lessons from the past aren't there for anyone to find.

Every empire has its up and downs

Everything and Nothing / Re: Most disappointing movie from book?
« on: September 22, 2008, 12:53:34 AM »
I've been re-reading Northern Lights, I have to admit I did not realise how much they had changed the book....enjoying it immensely and have forgotten about comparing it to the film so that is good.

Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 22, 2008, 12:47:13 AM »
I did  not mean to give any impression that ordinary workers should suffer, being an ordinary worker myself. I do feel that it always seems to be that those people at the top of things manage to do well out of any circumstances, Like the HBos guy, and that is not right.

Even today the chancellor of the exchequer in the UK is downplaying british banks involvement and trying hard not to get involved in arguments over regulation.

I hear the last two investment banks in the US are changing their company definitions so they are more protected, and more regulated.

Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 21, 2008, 09:18:32 AM »
And i agree with Mike re not knocking people when things are tough, only if they screwed up. Otherwise we become like football club ownwers and fans that expect to win everything all the time, then want to sack the managers when it does not happen, no living in the thick and thin of it there, no accpetance of what fate/destiny/skill/ability brings us

Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 21, 2008, 09:15:29 AM »
I also think that memories are very short - an example is fuel price. a little while back on the radio news someone was discussing the fuel prices and commented on the differential between petrol and diesel in the UK - along the lines of it's always been like that. However I remembered that as the prices approached £1 a litre here the fear of breaking that barrier was so high that the differential dropped to just 1p, then opened up again once both stepped over the £1 mark....And I notice that the prices are not coming down at the pumps as fast as they went up when the oil went up.....

Everything and Nothing / Re: But what does the family think?
« on: September 21, 2008, 09:09:22 AM »
Glenys enjoys most of what I create (mainly food!!) and appreciates my passion in making the music. My family (Mum and 2 sisters) again appreciate my interests, but have never asked any questions beyond - how's it going?

Glenys once said to her family (on an odd occasion when her mother, two sisters, both daughters and both grandaughters were visiting) that I had just had a CD released....after the 20 seconds of silence before any sound started and then low deep drones unfolding one asked, Is this music? to which Glenys said Yes, wait.....and in about two more minutes all their eyes unfocussed and they were well gone, drifting off into their own imaginations. Took about 15 minutes to make sure they were all 'straight' enough to drive home - one of the best reponses I've ever had from people not used to listening to such sounds.

Friends too enjoy listening, but never initiate conversation about it....I can only discuss the finer points and subtleties of ambient/experimental music on forums like this....

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: TUU
« on: September 21, 2008, 08:54:52 AM »
My personal TUU favourite is 'The Frozen Lands' 3" Cd release on the Amplexus series - Very ambient, dark deep space sounds.

Robert Rich - Atlas Dei

Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 19, 2008, 01:27:23 AM »
On radio 4 news this morning - a spokes person for the banks was defending the fact that the head of HBOS, being merged with LloydsTSB will be getting a multi million pound share deal - for a failing bank......

She then blamed all the current economic woes on the American Sub Prime market. It was one of those moments where you really want the programme presenter to have a good memory and ask some more probing questions, such as "What about the other financial practices such as 'shorts'" (currently banned on the UK stock exchange temporarily) and "what motivated the UK banks to get involved in the sub p[rime markets?".

Everything and Nothing / Re: Where would you rather live?
« on: September 18, 2008, 12:59:51 PM »
It seems to be a universal dream, almost, to live different places at different times of the year.

As much as I love Portland it would be so wonderful if we could spend a few months each winter somewhere with different weather.  Not that Portland winters are terrible, just that in an ideal world, I'd love to escape the gray and rain that takes over between October and March, especially the worst part in the middle of those months.

I sometimes think that if everyone were wealthy and retired, then humanity would take a massive shift toward the equator during the colder times of the year, and migrate back at springtime like a bunch of birds.

I think the early people's of all continents did just that

Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 18, 2008, 12:57:34 PM »
The banks are finding it hars to borrow from each other as they are ptting their own interest rates up for inter-bank lending.

If all the banks are lending each other the money they do business with i.e a bank borrows from another bank to give me my mortgage - who actually has the money in reality?

If the central banks can inject billions at such short notice - is it real money or have they borrowed it from another bank too?

Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 18, 2008, 12:48:38 AM »
Also that the banks have been allowed to get into the intricate and bankerspace (bank version of cyberspace as an alternate reality to real space) areas of derivatives and futures etc - where the banks play fast with gambling on what things may or may not be worth at some point in the future. Includes borrowing shares, selling them at a certain cost, buying them back when at a lower value and pocketing the difference.

The financial system appears to have been shored up by ever inventive ways of making profits - if these people put the same energy into providing services or inventing things that benefited people the world would be a very much better place.

As usual though, some banks and bankers will be making profits out of the losses and misery of others.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Where would you rather live?
« on: September 16, 2008, 12:52:54 PM »
Portmeiron (or is it Port Meiron?) is where The Prisoner was filmed, isn't it?

Not sure of the spellig, but the Prisoner was filmed there.

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