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Even John Cage's 4m 33s has structure, in that the pianist opens and closes the piano lid to signify the different movements. Though the idea of forcing an audience to listen to the sounds around them is perhaps as formless and ambient as can be created....

Perhaps white noise could be described as formless - but then perhaps hearing only certain frequencies also gives it structure.

To me where 'ambient' and 'classical' can overlap, it is in the choices of sounds to create a space that is not dependent upon timing, meter or verses etc.

As I mentioned before, some of the very early choral musics are very similar to floaty ambient pieces. shift the frequencies of the voices down to bass drones and it would be hard to distinguish the two apart. Though this effect is helped by my not understanding the language they are sung in, so it becomes notes and sound rather than notes and words.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Mac Mini
« on: July 27, 2009, 02:32:29 AM »
I'd say that if you are using them, keep them, unless you are able to streamline software down to 2 or cannibilise a couple into one box.

But then I know nothing about computers...

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: show us your field recorders-
« on: July 25, 2009, 05:46:57 AM »

I use the Korg MR1 - great sound, range of formats (MP3 to Bitstream) and pretty small too. Comes with a small stereo mic.

A bit pricey but was birthday and christmas present..

OOOps - unlike the size of the bloody picture. ???

picked up a thunder tube from musician's friend. wow! this is an extremely device. it is a spring attached to a hard cardboard tube with one end closed. it sounds like - duh! thunder when shaken. when used in different ways it makes a very electronic sound.

I've had a go at one of those but never bought one. Same as the 'ocean drum', double sided with beads or something in them - great sound but not got one yet.

I find a lot of cross over between classical and ambient. Sometimes just in the 'orchestration' of sounds to create an ambient electronic piece, choosing when a certain sound should waft in and out of the textures..

My Favourite classical instrument is the Cello, especially in slow sonorous movements such as Syvati by John Taverner.

I also like choral music and can still remember the first time i heard gregorian Chant 30 years ago. Funnily enough the John Taverner born in the 16th century wrote some amazing pieces of music.

And, Doh, shows how little I think of the internet - never thought of searching for forums about the cello or choral music........

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 22, 2009, 05:09:08 AM »
Jacqueline DuPre - Elgar concertos.

John Taverner - Syvati

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 20, 2009, 01:49:57 PM »
Phantom Channel Presents- Compilation 1;

Can you give us a link to it?

Everything and Nothing / Re: Hi guys
« on: July 20, 2009, 01:47:12 PM »
You mean this is not a sex site - oops  ;D

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 19, 2009, 11:19:47 AM »
Borealis - DVD, various artists.
Kairos - DVD, Steve Roach.
Athlit - Oophoi.

Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Re: Now watching...
« on: July 14, 2009, 02:33:08 AM »
Watched Phonebooth again. It's not often you get a whole film set in one place. I think it's very well written to keep attention for that long in one setting.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: July 10, 2009, 08:25:44 AM »
Thanks Mike for making the announcement.

I am very excited about the plans Mike has detailed, to which Oophoi gave his blessings to.

In specific response to Ein Sophistry:

Vajra Storm is unlikely to be released due to copyright issues re some of the samples. Oophoi was originally keen to release it on Umbra and was confident at getting permission from some sources, but unfortunately, convinced that it would not come from others.

Calling has not yet been released. I am currently working on it for consideration by Mike but that is dependent upon him liking it.......fingers crossed.

MooN has had a little more colourful history in that it took me some time to get a 2 CDR set of sounds I was happy with. It is a very static but dreamy soundscape...However it was also the first sound swapped with Oophoi in our project The Martian Chronicles, at a point before I had finished my own exploration of it - so it seems to have developed two lives, like twins seperated at birth perhaps.....

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Random MP3 snippet software...
« on: July 08, 2009, 12:26:21 AM »
Sounds like an great idea, and by hand would take a lot of time to do, perhaps an long term project rather than main project??

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Random MP3 snippet software...
« on: July 07, 2009, 02:36:45 PM »
I don't know of any software, but for some random choices on things get some dice and devise a way to choose your random bits....I did that for some cuts and postioning in stereo of short bursts of sound - amazing how often repetitions appeared randomly...

2 10 sided dice (0-9) can give 01 - 99 and 00 becomes 100.

same 2 dice for each ten second slot - gives , I think, about 16 mins worth of track time to randomly throw.

Still by hand and slower than software though.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 06, 2009, 12:58:46 PM »
Steve Roach - MC & SS disc 2

Dream Body: could this be his greatest piece ever?

You got me playing it again. Damn fine piece when you are in the mood for it.

I gave it a spin too...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Darkest Ambient
« on: July 06, 2009, 12:57:12 PM »
And just like Seren - I don't like or watch horror films... 

Maybe we should do a collab - "Music for Horror films?"

we could make it as light as possible, hence the question mark - or really do something scary ;D

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Darkest Ambient
« on: July 06, 2009, 01:02:11 AM »
Perhaps for listeners more used to 'lighter' music the term 'dark' ambient is more about the texture than context, the use of lower frequency sounds and drones etc as opposed to rhythms, pleasant chords and melodies.

I've been surprised how many people, who don't listen to ambient as a rule, have said that my music would be good on a horror film..... :o and I don't like or watch horror films so it's never been my intent to sound like that.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Headphones ?
« on: June 27, 2009, 01:03:42 PM »
Had a check and found 4 sets (not including mp3 player type ones)

Main studio - Beyerdynamic DT931, bought as a present for myself when I'd got my diploma - guy in the shop gave them to me on a blind test and I could not resist them despite the cost. Open back but brilliant, use them also for personal listening if I really want to hear the detail, just have to make sure windows are closed as sometimes I mistake the traffic etc for music ;D.

studio extra set - sennheiser HD 212 pro - picked up as a freebie from some hi-fi magazine a few years back - closed back but i find them too small on my ears for long listening.

Computer music - when i bought my VS2480 second hand a pair of Phillips SBC HP 195's came with it. Closed backs (big round things and I added a leather strap for comfort.

Personal use with MP3 player - TDK M100. nice sound and not tiring on the ears.

Everything and Nothing / Re: It's celebrity R.I.P. week
« on: June 26, 2009, 08:29:59 AM »
Uri Geller was on radio 4 this morning as a friend of MJ. after about 30 secs of his words i felt he was making things worse.... ???

He said he for some time been strongly advising MJ to not do the things that were getting him the bad publicity and actually said something close to:

I told him he could not keep inviting children into his bed and Michael just looked at me, he just did not understand   ::) ::) ::). He then went on to explain that MJ was very childlike (ie wierd) due to his upbringing.

I really wanted to be able to put my hand over his mouth and say FFS shut up Uri, your being as soft as one of your spoons......

If that's what your friends say about you??  :o :o :o :o

Everything and Nothing / Re: Omnivore's Dilemma & Local Food
« on: June 24, 2009, 04:50:47 AM »
OK that's it  ;D

Everything and Nothing / Re: Omnivore's Dilemma & Local Food
« on: June 24, 2009, 04:50:16 AM »
 :o....and the oppression handed out in order to create the 1st world is a huge part of current economic and social problems - Many suffering cultures find the freedoms we have to choose foods from one place or another intensely upsetting, especially if they have had their forest resources destroyed so that we can eat those foods.

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