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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 07, 2008, 12:51:29 AM »
Nice looking packaging on that box.

Gaudi - Robert Rich

Athlit - Oophoi.

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 03, 2008, 01:03:54 AM »
Vir Unis - Pulse n Atmo.

Was listening to this for the first time in ages and realised that the rhythm i am often tapping out when at a traffic lights, or at home while thinking is the rhythm from the first track.......Somehow it has just stuck and as i tap it out unconsciously so often must count as my favourite rhythm in music!!

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Ambient Clothing
« on: October 02, 2008, 08:47:26 AM »
I saw the thread title and had an image of wearing clothes that related in the same way as ambient music relates to 'average or normal' music........ ;D

no fixed form, amorphous, drifty, foggy, experimental. It would be  like wearing a cloud, a planet turning, an ominous cave.....

Underpants like the magnificent void, Trousers like a flock of butterflies descending in a zen garden, Shirts like the insane brightness etc etc etc.....

I think it's a great idea, and as long as we don't get arrested we should go for it whole heartedly... ;D


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Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: October 02, 2008, 04:56:37 AM »
Things continue to bounce around in the uk.

 >:( Bankers complained when it took the government so long to act and save Northern Rock.
 >:( ??? Bankers now complaining that government backing for Northern Rock gives it an unfair market advantage.
 :P British savers at least seem to agree as high levels of money being moved by savers from other banks into Northern Rock who have had to stop a number of offers to lower market impact.
 :o british savers splitting up their finances (if they have enough) so that none of their accounts go above the £35,000 amount the government have gauranteed savers will be compensated for if money is lost.
 :o Irish government yesterday gauranteed savings in all 6 of it's banks - money flowing into them already.
 >:( :o ::) Financial institutions saying things need to be stabilised, but then getting pissy when UK plans involve banks covering losses - so market bounces around again.
 >:( Bankers on radio saying that regulation and limiting pay is not the way
 :o Ex - Conservative government minister said that in the past, when financial things were dodgy the government met regularly and knew exactly which banks they would support and which they would let fall. (I'd be interested in how they made that decision and who would benefit or lose out most)
 :o Bankers and politicians all saying that speculation about outcomes is dangerous as it could affect the market (which itself makes the marketeers nervous) and then proceed to specualte.......... :o :o :o

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: October 02, 2008, 04:05:22 AM »
Fear falls Burning, Infinite Sea of Sustain.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Drones
« on: October 01, 2008, 12:56:32 AM »
Not forgettig that the Australian Aborigines and Tibetan manks have been droning for a very long time too.

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Was listening to 'infinite sea of sustain' earlier. FFB is definitely a new path for him and definitely deserves a listen with lots of attention.

Joe R said "He Spoke in Dead Tongues" is liquid bliss, entrancing, and completely in another world of sound. - a little sentence that is like getting an entrancing smell of cooking as going into a restaurant, sets the aural taste buds going overtime....

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I think rules are very important in many ways and we get into very subtle discussions when exploring them - we all tend to follow convention in some way or other, whether it's in our dress sense or just not hitting people because we feel like it. I remember a group of punks I was part of decrying conventional beauty, who were not happy when i suggested we had not really broken that 'rule' because none of us actually made ourselves ugly, we did not smell of piss or have rotten teeth - we had just changed the ideal of beauty and worked at embodying it

It's important to know what you are doing when you challenge or break rules, not just break them because it's easy. If you don't understand them how can you know what you are choosing to avoid. I knew a pagan animal rights group that had dispensed with the concept of 'Lord and Lady' because of their own reactions to human authority and without, it seemed, any idea of what these concepts might actually mean in the owrlds they were exploring....

I never had any drumming or muical tuition and I recognise both the limits this creates in my musical creation and the opportunites - I spent a little while drumming with a really tight samba band and learnt things that really took my drumming to a new level - gave me more form and rules around which I could improvise.

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I hate to have to say this, but... since the words "Church" and "Religion" and "God" appear above, I need to remind everyone to behave and stop short of heavy religious discussions. 

I'm not implying at all that I think that's where this is headed, just making extra-sure to remind everyone where we DON'T want to let this go, OK?



Hear hear. Or is it here here...

especially with the news of a german man being arrested after travelling to England and murdering someone he had been arguing with in an internet forum.....Not sure whether to think "What are we coming to?" or admiring his dedication and passion - even if completely mad and misguided!!!!

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For me the creativity goes both ways and i think that is what enabled the multi faceted aspects described by 9dragons in ancient societies. These societies lived and dreamt with those energies, co created. Ancient irish moneylenders were able to make contracts where the money was paid back in the next life. Native American dances after a hunt are still affecting the hunt that just happened.

Very few cultures are as limited and linear in their understanding of the world, time, the essence of humanity and other worlds around them as we are. Everything is in a line, everyone is trying to get to the top, individual and singular - so there is nothing bu myself and i am defined by one thing - whatever i choose that to be.

For me it's not just about me reaching out for the ineffable, the the unknown beyond my current understanding, but how the ineffable is expressed through me, even in 'ordinary' daily living. Sometimes I try to create music that I pull out of my own imagination - other times it is what my imagination is trying to pull out of me.

On a lighter note i include a post i made on another forum about electronic music. There was humurous discussion about sequences and ambience - termed here ambulance..... ::)

I use more of the ambulance than anything else. Sequences are ok but get in the way of exploring the infinite subtleties of ambulance. The ambulance artist may want to sound like some of Tangerine Dream but not all of it or all the time.

Ambulance can be created by synthesizers or by finding sounds. Sound actually occurs almost all the time and is played by the universe more often than music - of any genre. Some ambulance is a direct recreation of the sounds of the universe - a sort of shorter cover version of reality. Other ambulance is intended to create the sounds of worlds not actually in existence, like the sound of a planet urinating. In some ways this ambulance is a sonic version of david attenborough nature programmes in which we look at the world speeded up or slowed right down - nice on the eyes but not actually how things are.

Found sounds can include instruments, such as the rain on a stick, or goat hoof rattles (once the rest of the goat has been moved somewhere else). Found sounds can also be recordings made in fields (usually under the cover of darkness to avoid looking stupid) Sounds found in fields have included thunder, flying aeroplanes, whales, waterfalls, jungles and industrial factories. other found sounds include humans making as much noise as possible by throwing things like metal sheets around or even singing.

Found sounds are often treated by forcing them through a variety of effects and processes such as echo, phasing, flanging, reversing, stretching etc until the original sound can no longer be recognised - part of the fun is trying to work out how the sound was created......

Ambulance can be used for background sounds whilst be creative on something else, for meditation or just simply going to sleep. It is often admired by people who find paint drying a bit too exciting unless it is a long weekend and they have just had a nice cup of tea.

Hope that raised a smile or too ;D ;D


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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: e/i Magazine / Audio Verité returns
« on: September 23, 2008, 11:13:04 AM »
It is good to have you back

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: New Grassow on Nextera?
« on: September 23, 2008, 11:10:59 AM »
I'd recommend Dissolution. It is another that grows on you, it took  me some time (and a better stereo) to hear the subtleties in it. Others I enjoy are Sphere, True North, Space and Eclipse.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 22, 2008, 12:53:22 PM »
It's depressing that some people are still surprised when they are caught out by a particular economic bubble bursting. Maybe those who run banks should study economic history before taking up their jobs. It's not as if lessons from the past aren't there for anyone to find.


Every empire has its up and downs

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Everything and Nothing / Re: Most disappointing movie from book?
« on: September 22, 2008, 12:53:34 AM »
I've been re-reading Northern Lights, I have to admit I did not realise how much they had changed the book....enjoying it immensely and have forgotten about comparing it to the film so that is good.


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Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 22, 2008, 12:47:13 AM »
I did  not mean to give any impression that ordinary workers should suffer, being an ordinary worker myself. I do feel that it always seems to be that those people at the top of things manage to do well out of any circumstances, Like the HBos guy, and that is not right.

Even today the chancellor of the exchequer in the UK is downplaying british banks involvement and trying hard not to get involved in arguments over regulation.

I hear the last two investment banks in the US are changing their company definitions so they are more protected, and more regulated.

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Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 21, 2008, 09:18:32 AM »
And i agree with Mike re not knocking people when things are tough, only if they screwed up. Otherwise we become like football club ownwers and fans that expect to win everything all the time, then want to sack the managers when it does not happen, no living in the thick and thin of it there, no accpetance of what fate/destiny/skill/ability brings us

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Everything and Nothing / Re: I didn't do that well in Economics...
« on: September 21, 2008, 09:15:29 AM »
I also think that memories are very short - an example is fuel price. a little while back on the radio news someone was discussing the fuel prices and commented on the differential between petrol and diesel in the UK - along the lines of it's always been like that. However I remembered that as the prices approached £1 a litre here the fear of breaking that barrier was so high that the differential dropped to just 1p, then opened up again once both stepped over the £1 mark....And I notice that the prices are not coming down at the pumps as fast as they went up when the oil went up.....

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Everything and Nothing / Re: But what does the family think?
« on: September 21, 2008, 09:09:22 AM »
Glenys enjoys most of what I create (mainly food!!) and appreciates my passion in making the music. My family (Mum and 2 sisters) again appreciate my interests, but have never asked any questions beyond - how's it going?

Glenys once said to her family (on an odd occasion when her mother, two sisters, both daughters and both grandaughters were visiting) that I had just had a CD released....after the 20 seconds of silence before any sound started and then low deep drones unfolding one asked, Is this music? to which Glenys said Yes, wait.....and in about two more minutes all their eyes unfocussed and they were well gone, drifting off into their own imaginations. Took about 15 minutes to make sure they were all 'straight' enough to drive home - one of the best reponses I've ever had from people not used to listening to such sounds.

Friends too enjoy listening, but never initiate conversation about it....I can only discuss the finer points and subtleties of ambient/experimental music on forums like this....

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: TUU
« on: September 21, 2008, 08:54:52 AM »
My personal TUU favourite is 'The Frozen Lands' 3" Cd release on the Amplexus series - Very ambient, dark deep space sounds.

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Robert Rich - Atlas Dei

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