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Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 22, 2009, 11:13:44 AM »
I think there are lots of aspects and sides to the discussion and I have to admit I'd not thought about second hand CDs in that lots to learn from.

I think my issue with the 'everything for free' comes from the perception that only by taking from others can everything be free and only in a wealthy and 'civilised' society are things organised in ways that make it possible to act on. Immersion said himself that if everyone in his country chose not to work it would collapse (I think thats what you meant).

Take it right back to basics - you find yourself on a desert island - how you going to survive? You've got to put your arse into it cos nothing is going to come for free. Even in modern society, someones effort has gone into making everything that might be taken for free - even the torrent websites need someones effort to exist.

There is an anarchist philosophy of (cant remember the exact quote) each from their means and according to their needs - but this was always based on co-creation. Some people grow food, others eat that food so they can make the clothes the farmers wear while working type of thing. The idea never envisaged swathes of society just sitting around and eating food made by others, wearing clothes made by others because they can. Accepted response of general population to such people was not pleasant....

I suppose, across generations, we may be talking about different ideas of respect, freedom, utopia - and I have had a long history of this type of discussion, including direct action/court cases and prison sentences based on those beliefs and even now they inform my work in that I put a lot of energy to help disadvantaged people left behind by the capitalist society.

I know I could not survive on my own and I would prefer not to take from people unless they are giving something away out of respect for them.

I don't exercise enough at present, but this spring have been walking more and done some reasonably heavy work in our daughters garden....

I hate 'doing' exercise, but have really enjoyed physical jobsin the past such as tree surgery and forestry - got very fit, very strong, had great stamina and worked in a stunning environment.....

Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 20, 2009, 12:41:15 PM »
I think CD is as likely 5to dissapear as vinyl was supposed to - mind you it is still impossible to make an vinyl in your 'office' or 'bedroom'

And I agree with Lena - just because we can do it does not mean we should - guns are getting easier to get hold of, but should we all have them?, let alone get them for free..... ;D

My last comment on this is that I respect Immersions 'right' to listen to free music, as long as he respects the 'rights' of those artists who don't want theirs available for nothing on the internet.....

Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 20, 2009, 01:11:20 AM »
Immersions comment that listeners/consumers have rights but artists do not is the basic assumption that throws everything out. Despite the possibility of language misunderstandings and the difference between 'younger' and 'older' generations I add my twopenny worth.

No One has any rights, rights are just agreements between 'civilised' people and when societies are basic and violent the concept does not exist. A right has no physical reality, Christ! it's only a few years ago that we would have all been sweeping chimneys or down mines at 7 years old - no time for rights then (I only mention this as evidence of statement, not wishing we were 'back' then or anything).....and within Immersions arguments anything that has no physical reality can be ignored. The 'right' to have music for free can be taken away as easily as the 'right' to life - just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Music may not hold any value because the internet, big companies or listeners devalue it, but just because the flow of information makes it so easy does not make it right. If someone managed to organise the flow of our belongings out of our homes that would not make that right either.

my disagreement is simple. I don't think things (music or otherwise) should be taken for free - if someone chooses to give something for free that is different...

Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Re: Now reading
« on: April 19, 2009, 11:33:05 AM »
Just learnt JG Ballard died this morning after a long illness. RIP.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 14, 2009, 12:39:18 AM »
oophoi - working through Time Fragments 1 - 6

Everything and Nothing / Re: Music, free or for sale ?
« on: April 13, 2009, 02:44:28 AM »
I think this will always be a swings and roundabouts issue - the pros and cons will change dependent on our situations and motivations. I don't do it for the money - and because of that I have not had the time or focus to put energy into doing what might be necessary to make money....I do enjoy getting feedback from people who have been touched by my music in some way.

for me 'fair exchange' is a better concept of what is important to me - and that can include swapping music, being paid money, or just knowing someone has a new favourite album, but this means interaction with individuals - I don't feel like putting things out there for 'free' in that sense yet - but may do in future.

I am also old fashioned in the sense that I don't like the modern tendency to expect everything for free as 'a right' or the consumptive tendencies that makes ring tones become 'music' and the amount of music or the lists of music on their Ipods more important than the music itself....I have downloaded free music that also includes the covers and information as I like to know something about who and why a piece of music came into existence. I know this last bit mixes threads a bit but it's part of what informs my choices in this area.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 07, 2009, 02:55:33 PM »
It's from Time Fragments Vol. 2 (it's the second track).

The whole disc is amazing - one of my favorite ambient journeys.

Gave this a spin this evening and really enjoyed it again....My favourite is The Changeling, but will spin a few more times to listen to The Last Farewell properly - rather than while doing something else.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 07, 2009, 08:01:50 AM »
*Edit: To Seren:

It's from Time Fragments Vol. 2 (it's the second track).

The whole disc is amazing - one of my favorite ambient journeys.

I must dig that one out and give it a listen again, along with many of the others....

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 07, 2009, 06:26:59 AM »
O÷phoi - "The Last Farewell"

One of the most achingly beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard.

What Cd is that from?

I listened to The White Noise - The Visitation, trrack from 'An Electric Storm' - released in 1969 - It's 40 years old...

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 06, 2009, 04:51:31 AM »
Steve Roach - labyrinth

Jeff pearce - Vestiges

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« on: April 05, 2009, 11:48:39 AM »
I've been putting excerpt clips onto my Atmoworks page just click on if you are interested

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 02, 2009, 01:02:31 PM »
Vidna Obmana - Memories Compiled Vol.1.

Steve Roach - Atmospheric Conditions.

Micheal Moorcock and the Deep Fix - New World's Fair.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iMac for music?
« on: March 31, 2009, 11:57:51 AM »
I don't like computers for creating music  - at least in the form I have seen and could afford - not counting out machines I've not had the pleasure to met.

I have a newish computer with Vista and it is a nightmare - everything is slow and it crashes and seizes like no computer I've had before - all since installing official updates and it took me a while to realise this and can't work out which installs to uninstall >:( >:( >:(

I echo the comment of getting the equipment you are inspired by....hopefully well all be inspired by the music at a later date

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« on: March 25, 2009, 05:02:08 PM »
Very Nice pics indeed Loren

Everything and Nothing / Re: Joke Thread
« on: March 24, 2009, 03:19:49 PM »
It's good to have a good hearty splutter every now and then  ;D ;D

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 23, 2009, 04:42:47 AM »

Public Image Limited- Rise

Interesting band name in the midst of the others....

Everything and Nothing / Re: List of words it is not OK to ever say
« on: March 03, 2009, 01:36:35 AM »
prhps txt culture is partly 2 blme - even cing brite frenz do it 2.....(took me ages to work out how to do that!!)

general use of home made abbreviations to 'speed up' communication is likely to overflow into other areas of life - imagine the letters from tax/IRS :o

Everything and Nothing / Re: Joke Thread
« on: March 02, 2009, 09:45:17 AM »
Found on another forum, but well worth the snorts into the tea cup at work....

This, I am assured, is the text of a genuine HMRC letter:

"Dear Mr X,

I am writing to you to express our thanks for your more than prompt reply to our latest communication, and also to answer some of the points you raise.

I will address them, as ever, in order.

Firstly, I must take issue with your description of our last as a "begging letter". It might perhaps more properly be referred to as a "tax demand". This is how we at the Inland Revenue have always, for reasons of accuracy, traditionally referred to such documents.

Secondly, your frustration at our adding to the "endless stream of crapulent whining and panhandling vomited daily through the letterbox on to the doormat" has been noted. However, whilst I have naturally not seen the other letters to which you refer I would cautiously suggest that their being from "pauper councils, Lombardy pirate banking houses and ****ant gas-mongerers" might indicate that your decision to "file them next to the toilet in case of emergencies" is at best a little ill-advised. In common with my own organisation, it is unlikely that the senders of these letters do see you as a "lackwit bumpkin" or, come to that, a "sodding charity". More likely they see you as a citizen of Great Britain, with a responsibility to contribute to the upkeep of the nation as a whole.

Which brings me to my next point. Whilst there may be some spirit of truth in your assertion that the taxes you pay "go to shore up the canker-blighted, toppling folly that is the Public Services", a moment's rudimentary calculation ought to disabuse you of the notion that the government in any way expects you to "stump up for the whole damned party" yourself.

The estimates you provide for the Chancellor's disbursement of the funds levied by taxation, whilst colourful, are, in fairness, a little off the mark. Less than you seem to imagine is spent on "junkets for Bunterish lickspittles" and "dancing whores" whilst far more than you have accounted for is allocated to, for example, "that box-ticking fašade of a university system."

A couple of technical points arising from direct queries

1. The reason we don't simply write "Muggins"on the envelope has to do with the vagaries of the postal system;

2. You can rest assured that "sucking the very marrow of those with nothing else to give" has never been considered as a practice because even if the Personal Allowance didn't render it irrelevant, the sheer medical logistics involved would make it financially unviable.

I trust this has helped. In the meantime, whilst I would not in any way wish to influence your decision one way or the other, I ought to point out that even if you did choose to "give the whole foul jamboree up and go and live in India" you would still owe us the money.

Please send it to us by Friday.

Yours sincerely,

Customer Relations" 

Everything and Nothing / Re: Childless couples
« on: March 02, 2009, 07:10:14 AM »
I think that's a great offer and one that if I was not so far away would jump to take. It seems a perfect way to explore the intricacies, wonders and experiences of parenthood - Mike and Lena, don't let this chance go, you need to grab it before cromag's children have had all their weekends taken up by other members of the forum. ;D :o

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