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So, if it's not 'artistic', what else is it - do you think he's made a technical error of judgement ?

Downloaded your video, but I didn't get it, playing around with an Eq doesn't really show what you're trying to get at.

On the subject of noiser and Eqs, I use a high Q parametric Eq to 'soften' noise textures (or just noise), I find the frequencies vary with the sound, but yes 4k - 8K is usually the range (using up to 3 narrow Q cuts). A 'steam' like sound is much more pleasing to these ears than unfiltered noise.

Some artists noise as a texture, years ago Eno used to talk about a recording of cicadas that he used liberally on his work.
Sometimes the intention is to fill the frequency range. At the more experimental end, it's used as a primary texture.

Am listening to the samples on his page now, yes it's there but I'm sure he made an artistic choice to include it. Of course he's not going to do a re-release, Robert is highly regarded for his mastering chops. I seem to remember there was a similiar post here sometime ago about Steve Roach being deaf as he was using far too much low frequency sound !

Thanks for the great replies fellers - food for thought, indeed.

Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Bandcamp Streaming ?
« on: October 29, 2014, 02:34:34 AM »
I don't know if this is the most appropriate place to post this, but here goes;

As I understand it, people can use Bandcamp to stream anything that's up there as long as they have an internet connection ? (I see there's a bandcamp App as well, which presumably does the same)
So, if this is the case, then people don't have to buy anything there, just use it as a 'radio' in effect and the artists get nothing from this - which is worse than Spotify's model (?)

Is this why artists are just making montages or selected tracks available on their pages ?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: New David Sylvian, Steve Roach
« on: October 29, 2014, 02:22:57 AM »
Always interested to hear new DS stuff. I think he's an artist who's work is very much affected by the people he's working with. I didn't like that 'Blemish' era stuff at all.
One thing about DS, he varies his approach to his work, which I think is a laudable thing - he's not trying to re-make new versions of his earlier classics. 

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient sound packs for synths ?
« on: October 28, 2014, 09:32:29 AM »
Yes Julio, I feel the same way.

I should say I don't think there's anything 'wrong' with this kind of thing, after all loop CDs and libraries have been around for years and I remember people buying those rom thingies for DX7s years ago.
I'm just thinking of a scenario where someone new to ambient composition decides to start creating their own work and looks around for some 'ambient sounds' and starts off with someone else's ideas of such a thing.

Cheers Julio and 'thirdsystem', I'm working on a style of light / dark and 'ambiguous' tonal changes, more so on this track than most.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Ambient sound packs for synths ?
« on: October 27, 2014, 02:30:35 AM »
I've always found the appeal of such things a tad strange, what do other people think ?
For me, the interesting part of exploring and programming a synth (software synths, in my case) is to create your own fairly unique sounds, buying a selection of sounds that someone else describes as ambient, I don't get. Surely this is an area where exploration and imagination may well yield more personalised results ?

Slightly off-topic, but some synths have such a distinctive sound - Native Instrument's 'Razor' for example, that all these presets sound similiar anyway ?

I should say I'm not against using presets at all, it's the marketing of presets that are considered to be specifically 'ambient'
(or for any other genre, for that matter) which escapes me somewhat.

Here we go again...?

I really don't know what to make of this, on one hand 24 bit makes more sense to me than higher sampling rates. While there are a lot of myths around, some of these are also on the technical side. The 'boffins' can tend to follow a lot of accepted wisdom regarding how we hear, without challenging this.

Steve is 59. Personally I don't think that is such an ancient age. In my view, a composer (in any genre) can just carry on composing, perhaps more so in ambient. 

'Music for Bats' ?

Of course 24/192 is the way forward - but more for our canine friends than us :)

Video for Supernature:

It does change over time, but they are slow changes !
I decided to release the track on CDBaby as well as Bandcamp, so that it will got to iTunes, Spotify et al, just as an experiment really.

Many thanks,
Out of interest, I just checked and I used over 70 audio 'clips' in that track, not counting the synths used. There were almost double that in the pool of material I was working with - I always end up leaving a lot of stuff out.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Forrest Fang news
« on: October 17, 2014, 02:00:49 AM »
Cool to hear these tracks Forrest, looking forward to your upcoming release in the new year.


I've just released a 'single' titled 'Supernature'
info from my Band camp page:
'Supernature' came out of the sessions for my upcoming album 'Iris'. I felt it was somewhat different in mood to the rest of the tracks I was working on, so I'm releasing it as a 'single'. 'Supernature' changes subtlely in tonality throughout it's duration, many sources were used to create the track and the tonal shifts employed add to the tracks's overall liminal sound signature. The track's dynamic shifts are less subtle !

Bandcamp's flexibility for this kind of thing is pretty unique and most welcome !

I used to use a company in Leeds who used either TY blanks or high quality Sony silver discs. The Sony ones were a very good media ( I was told) that looks very much almost like a pressed CD, but without some kind of barcode in the centre. Apparently the artwork printing and getting really good paper is more difficult and costly than burning the CDs.

On the subject of burning they swore by Plextor drives, I bought a Plextor Premium drive myself for one-off burns, though (sadly) I don't use the silver discs at all these days (though that may change).

Might be slightly off topic, but I thought it was interesting that Steve Roach decided to 'release' his 'Bloodmoon Rising' album on Bandcamp only. In terms of flexibility for an artist's output, nothing beats this release what you like for whatever price you like 'format' that is now an option.

Fair points, It's just that a lot of posters who just post about themselves are anonymous, so to hear your points is a refreshing change.

I'm merely suggesting why not take part in the forum ?, it's always a bit of a shame when people come here just to talk about their own music/label/project but not take in things otherwise.

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