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There is a bit of a misconception that FLStudio is still the very basic beat-making program that Fruity loops was. In my view, it's a complex now as you want it to be / need it to be. I should say that the way it has been marketed hasn't done it any favours :)

Back on topic, I would recommend using 'Edison' (in the master FX slot) as a very useful 'scratch recorder' to record any live tweakings and the like. I do this very often.

Finally, Edison has a killer click removal function that I haven't seen anywhere else.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: April 30, 2014, 07:36:00 AM »
'Animism' by Forrest Fang

An intoxicating mix of sounds, dense yet subtle. Very interesting blend of tonalities, quite unlike most ambient music.
Very good allround !


From reading your post I gather that the workflow issue is probably most important to you at this stage. I've used FLStudio for years and like any DAW, the learning curve can be frustrating. My suggestion is to forget about it's beat based background and just record or put audio clips into the playlist without worrying too much about them snapping to a grid or anything. The tempo setting will just be effecting things like the sync of delays and the like. It's a much deeper program than it has been given credit for once you start to really explore it. As I said, all DAWs are very featured these days and require a lot of time to get into. For example, I've got Reaper but I only use it on occasion as I know it would take me a long time to alter my workflow to suit it (even though I hear it's a great program).

The search for reverbs and FX may be more relevant once you've got a workflow you're comfortable with, there's so much great stuff out there now. I too studied electroacoustic musics and had to work with tape slicing and VC3s and the like many moons ago.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / NI Molekular
« on: April 25, 2014, 07:48:39 AM »
Any other Reaktor users out there, who've had a look at the monster new 'Molekular' FX thing ?

I was initially very interested, I'm now trying out the demo to see if I might find it to be useful to me. It certainly does some utterly mad things !


How can any piece of equipment sound 'boring' :) 

An 'accurate' headphone, isn't intended to sound 'good' as such. They are intended to reproduce the source material accurately.

When I use my Shure E500s and SRH840s for mastering, everything initially sounds hard and middley, as I'm used to using a pair of phones with a 'smiley eq' frequency response on a daily basis (for comfort and sound isolation) and my ears have gotten used to their sound signature.     

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Buying Soundcloud 'plays'
« on: April 21, 2014, 11:17:23 AM »
I think that sc is used most succesfully (in my opinion) just as a audio storage and player combination these days - a very useful place to link to. Using it to get honest constructive feedback hasn't really worked and the numbers game has become more important for some artists - hence the buying of false stats and the like.

The kind of feedback that I'm seeing could lead some artists to be in some kind of totally positive 'bubble' and they may start to 'believe the hype', so to speak.

Tomas, I'm not sure if your comments are entirely relevant to this thread, they are observations on a wider social networking issue. I still think this forum is one of the few places where frank discussion can take place.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Buying Soundcloud 'plays'
« on: April 20, 2014, 05:31:07 AM »
Taking this a bit further, what do people think about Soundcloud regarding getting any useful feedback on their work ? I see mostly comments of a overtly positive nature such as 'great track' etc., which surely isn't informative / instructive for anyone ?

I've had a fair bit of 'real' communication via Soundcloud's messaging system and it's always nice to hear genuine comments from people, but when I see artists with zillions of followers and comments and the likes of the above 'products', it makes me wonder.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Buying Soundcloud 'plays'
« on: April 18, 2014, 01:17:11 PM »
Got a spammy message directing me to this rather bizarre soundcloud 'automator':

Buy their software and increase your audience (so they say). Why would anyone want to do this ? what can it possibly achieve ?

Ancient Sony thing, two foot wide and two foot deep, weighs two tons and uses 2KW of power (I'm exaggerating now). As you may guess, TV is not a high priority at Flame Acres :)

Computers, Internet and Technology / Re: R.I.P. XP
« on: April 08, 2014, 11:53:16 AM »
Presumably MS stopping security support will have significant future issues for the world that is still using XP (as opposed to the W2K scaremongering) ? I upgraded my internet computer for this reason. Don't think I can go into the heady realms of Win8 yet though, just getting my head around Win7 at present !

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Ambient Music Download Pricing
« on: April 07, 2014, 11:33:31 AM »
Those Peccary prices do seem a little bizarre indeed.

Personally I try to come up with a 'fair' price relative to the duration of the album. I priced my 'Lumen' album on Bandcamp at 3.33 as there are three tracks and I'm a numerologist. The x.99 thing is an old trick that seems to work.

I don't think charging extra for a 24 Bit file is necessary.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: April 05, 2014, 09:45:38 AM »
It's getting kind of complicated and I'm not very good at reading long posts I should say, but there's still some interesting discussion going on here, in my view. Yes, some people should perhaps be a tad more circumspect regarding being overly direct - which could be interpreted as being personal. God knows there was some 'evil' stuff (personal attacks galore) going on years ago particularly regarding politics and the like, thankfully Mike (G) knocked that on the head.

Mike (Altus) has a pretty active Youtube channel so I think his points are certainly relevant as he sees a value in using Youtube as a promotional tool. I try to do so myself, as one of my motivations is that I actually like creating the video 'eye-candy', it's something I enjoy doing.

Unless I'm mistaken the Youtube tagging thing has changed, I can't see any tagging options recently (?) 

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: 'Lumen' released
« on: April 04, 2014, 12:38:01 PM »
Primarily, I used two Kontakt libraries for Tuba and Pan Drum sounds (the pan drum sounds were mostly processed) and Metadrone and some rather esoteric Reaktor ensembles. I used quite a lot of other things too (in smaller ways). As I usually do, lots of processing was done along the way.

As far as I'm aware, I didn't use any dedicated wavetable synths.

Thanks for asking nonetheless.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: April 01, 2014, 07:02:45 AM »
I'II say one thing about the choob, it's become a very good resource for tutorials for all manner of gear. I know that some people post videos that are pretty clueless, but on the whole, there's a lot of useful information there. I dare say it's the first point of call for a lot people (particularly if they aren't eager to read manuals !)

One thing I don't understand is how some (pretty hopeless) gear tutorials get so many views and comments and other really useful stuff hardly gets any ? Was there some 'buying' of views and the likes in the past ? I suppose one reason could be the usual reciprocal flattery of social media in general.

No lupine laments here !

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 09:56:26 AM »
I stand by what I said about Paypal - they take a cut from everyone, all those ebay sales - everything. They are rolling in it.

Slightly off-topic, I used to think Youtube was just vehicle for inanity and general juvenile stuff that didn't interest me, but now I think it's a valuable resource for information and news which is out of the reach of the mainstream media. Sure, there's a pile of nonsense there, but using your judgement, you can find out about things that you wouldn't do ordinarily.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: What is Youtube to you?
« on: March 30, 2014, 08:40:38 AM »
Yeah, Youtube's audio quality is very poor, but I think that it shows that we live in an increasingly visually orientated culture, where people (the majority of ?) prefer to listen to music with a visual element. I went through a phase of making a considerable number ofvideos and uploading to my channel for that reason.
Personally I use it primarily to rediscover classics that I've heard throughout my musical life (just revisited 'White punks on dope' by the Tubes !)
Paypal are weasels and they take their cut from pretty much everyone, but they seem to have a monopoly of sorts. Spotify is increasing it's artist royalty payments, but they still pay very little. I wouldn't describe Bandcamp as greedy at all, they charge you nothing if you want to give your work away and I don't recall that they take 30% either.

However, the bigger point is Forrest' s point (which I've made it myself ocassion), I can see that some artists may well just call it a day when they are finding it more difficult to cover their costs and music will be the poorer for it. Releasing music isn't a 'level playing field' nowadays, just because everyone can do it.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 28, 2014, 04:34:08 AM »
While I agree with what Forrest says (I wouldn't be best pleased if someone uploded one of my albums without my permission), I still think it's where a lot of people are going to find new music, so I make a video (usually a montage) whenever I release something and put it up on the choob.

I can't think of better ways to get it 'out there'. soundcloud (for example) doesn't work in that way, in my experience.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: 'Lumen' released
« on: March 27, 2014, 01:58:40 PM »
Cheers Julio !

'Liquid Emerald' was my attempt to do some kind of Philip Glass type minimalism in an ambient 'manner' - of sorts !
I've been working on new material since I released 'NYX' last July, but I was getting really bogged down with things that were problematic and I was very keen to release something new, so these tracks struck me as being 'coherent' enough to release as a short album.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 27, 2014, 05:42:52 AM »
The rather talented Ronald Jenkees:

Interesting to hear that youtube is used these days by lots of people primarily to browse for music.

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