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Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 25, 2012, 07:03:53 AM »
Interesting points APK and El culto, I buy very little music online but I would imagine most listeners would gravitate towards the big distributors - I could be wrong (?), so why limit the places that your material is available on ?

APK, I agree with you about Bandcamp's coolness in itself, I'm not sure about how it deals with ambient music though. I did a search on music tagged as 'ambient' and I have to say I didn't recognise many artists - saying that I'm hardly on the sharp end of whats out there !

There's also the feeling with these sites as to how long they might be around for. I've seen a a fair few fold, including ambient music based sites such as and Shopsonic.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 23, 2012, 08:44:56 AM »
Regarding this Bar-code fee business, when Cd Baby was a CD selling outfit you didn't need a bar-code, it's for the digital distribution thing. My earlier releases had bar-codes ascribed to them by the company who made the discs, so I didn't really notice it. I don't know if they're being disingenuous about it or not, but it seems you need one, one way or another.

As regards how much of a cut iTunes and the like takes, I would image that they decide how much that will be , not the likes of CD Baby and yes, its a pain and contrary to the interests of the artist. 

Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 21, 2012, 08:23:21 AM »
From my experience, I recommend CD Baby. I've paid the set-up fee each time I've released an album so it didn't seem too bad, as opposed to (say) paying for 10 albums all at once.

I should say though that, just because an album goes up on iTunes, emusic etc. it doesn't necessarily mean it will sell. I have a side-project called 'Formbank', there's three albums up on all the major download sites from that project and I sell very few downloads from that one. The Igneous Flame stuff does sell, but it has taken time.

Something to bear in mind, is the that if you were to release a pressed CD, you're talking lots of money, limited CD-R runs aren't cheap either, so in the scheme of things I don't think their set-up fee is too bad. Also, as Forrest says, having a back catalogue up on CD Baby shows a commitment to the work (as does owning the barcode ISRC thingy). I would suspect one of the reasons for the proliferation of free releases out there is the reluctance to pay such fees.

Of course the sales are important, how can I run my private Lear Jet otherwise ? - only joking...

Even though I'm not a Hypnos artist, I've got some thoughts on this one:

It's good and bad in my experience, good in that I continue to sell my music in download format long after the discs have sold out. It's bad, in that I very much like the 'Art Object' idea, but it's popularity has waned, certainly for 'Independent' artists.

I should point out that the situation is probably more preferable these days from that artist's point of view - anyone can now release pretty much anything they desire and if they sign up to CD Baby (for example), $59 gets their album up on iTunes, Amazon, emusic etc. in a few days. That's pretty amazing I think.

Or a transcript of an interview where he talks about the songs ? :)


I know this isn't directly relevant to the world of ambient, but interesting nonetheless, in terms of an artist endeavouring to release their work in a different format. I'm quite a fan of Beck and it's cool to see his imagination at work and the enduring legacy of 'sheet music' even today.

Hope you enjoy it Julio !
Thanks for the comments 'h' too.



I've just uploaded a free montage of 30 second clips from each of the tracks on the album on my Soundcloud page:


'Pandora' by Igneous Flame / Ensueno

Montage of the eight tracks on the album, video by Igneous Flame

Exclusive 24 Bit FLAC version now available at Igneous Flame's Bandcamp page:

This is the first ambient digital-only album released on LuminaSounds and will be available on iTunes, Amazon and the like through CD Baby in the near future, more details to follow.

Press Release:

'Pandora' by Igneous Flame / Ensueno

'Pandora' is the album that arose out of the collaboration between Igneous Flame (UK) and Ensueno (Russia).

In 2011, Rudy (Ensueno) got in touch with me asking about the possibility of us releasing a collaborative album. From what I'd heard of Rudy's work, I was always impressed with what he had created, so I was happy to agree to this. He sent me a considerable amount of music, which I listened to intensively, chose the work I preferred and then proceeded to work with this material.
The source material for the album was entirely Rudy's and my involvement was primarily reworking and production. I added certain sound elements, manipulations and (spatial) processing in particular. Rudy's original material was extended and 're-composed' extensively. This collaborative process took seven months and resulted in our album 'Pandora'.

The Internet facilitated the work, from Rudy initially sending me his full resolution source material from his studio in Russia to my studio in England via download links, to the final stage of releasing the album on CD Baby to be digitally distributed to the major download sites.

Pete Kelly (Igneous Flame), August 2012.

Produced and Mastered by Igneous Flame at Nimbus Studios, England.
Artwork Image by Kati Astraeir.
LuminaSounds Label release, catalogue number: LS-07.

Titles and running order:

1) Imagination (rules the world)
2) Deep Purple
3) Persephone
4) Light on Water
5) Lightstorm 
6) Fiat Lux
7) I Walk the Earth
8] Immaculate

Duration = [80 minutes]

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 29, 2012, 05:20:30 AM »
I have to say I founds IRIS's sounds a tad underwhelming - a very interesting concept and GUI, but it didn't really do it for me, sonically.

Just come across a free / Beta modular vst synth, which is pretty good in my view:
'Sonigen Modular'

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:32:37 AM »
I think this is a really valuable discussion, I don't wish to sidetrack Julio's original post, but it would be great if this was a separate topic.

Also, it would be great if other Netlabel owners and Artists contributed as well as Mike, to get a more balanced view on things. I've written a fair bit about these points in the past and I'd be interested to hear other people's views.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 25, 2012, 02:24:11 AM »

I didn't mean to say that Omnisphere is an 'ambient synth', as I said, I've never tried it. However, they are a number of synths out there that are termed as such and an awful lot of libraries, loops etc. that are described as 'ambient'. My point was that I choose to make my own sounds and I find it to be one of the most stimulating elements of ambient. When I was studying, I was exposed to electroacoustic music techniques and a big part of that is the sound design element, it's an 'anti-preset' music if there ever was one. I took this from the genre as it was probably the only thing that resonated with me in the whole 'eam' thing.

On the tools point, I flippantly referred to the Strat as only having three sounds - but it has a massive potential to use all manner of playing techniques to create anew these basic 'presets'. Saying that though, I've heard some synth presets that do sound great, but you know that because they have such instant appeal, they may well be used considerably - unmodified.

No problem with the 'venting', it's good to see more discussion hereabouts !

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Kontakt !
« on: July 24, 2012, 07:09:32 AM »
Cheers David,
Am currently digging into it, that's now 2 weeks with still nothing to show for it !
But I am learning it and there's a lot there. I can see this getting a lot of use.


Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 24, 2012, 07:06:42 AM »
I deleted a lot of the Wusikstation presets as they just seemed to be pre-made sounds in their own right, with no real means of manipulating them. I don't work that way, so they were of no interest to me.
I've never tried Omnisphere, but I find it bizarre when a synth is marketed as an 'ambient synth', as if we musicians don't have the imaginations to make ambient sounds from anything and everything (within reason) ! 

Time to revisit the ACE demo, methinks.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Soft Synths....What do you like?
« on: July 23, 2012, 01:20:51 PM »

I think Wusikstation is an interesting one, not terribly easy going (regarding the installation of /  figuring out what it can do) but it's quite unique.
The library that comes with it is absolutely huge - not in terms of size, but in the number of presets and I've had to do some heavy duty 'pruning'. For me, the most interesting sounds are the wave sequencing ones where you can start with your own sounds.

Slightly off-topic, but I've just bought a really interesting sample library, Orange Tree Sample's 'Lap Steel Guitar'
still getting my head around it, but possible (unusual !) ambient usage, methinks.

APK, same with a Strat, just 3 (or 5) 'presets', what were they thinking ? :)


Mike, You'd hardly expect a 'regular gal' be the bass player in Pixies, of course she's a 'wierdo' :)
Kim is a rockin' bass player and vocalist. 'Cannonball' is such a great track.

I would imagine people will have heard this :

'As cool as Kim Deal'

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Kontakt !
« on: July 16, 2012, 08:51:56 AM »
I finally bought the full version of Kontakt as NI were having a 50% off sale recently, I'd stumbled along with the Kontakt player for a while as I had bought some libraries that were compatible with it.

I was pleasantly surprised that there was quite a bit of good to very good stuff in the full (43GB) Kontakt library - there was very little available info on the library that I could find.

So now, I've got lots to get my head around in the spirit of lifelong learning. It's funny, I find some things just don't entice me to really get to grips with them (Reaper was a case in point), I tend to spend most time on the things I think I'm most likely to use in the future.

Am liking 'Prism' and 'Early Rain' very much, Forrest.

Quality work here, Julio.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: July 01, 2012, 02:32:43 PM »
Sheer Genius:

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