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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach - Today
« on: March 02, 2013, 08:06:16 AM »
Thanks. That's a lovely little track....

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Recent music purchases
« on: March 02, 2013, 08:03:42 AM »
Why do you folks make of the new Autechre?

I can't make my mind up about it. But I do know the second track, 'irlite (get 0)', is one of the strangest and most fantastic things I have heard in a long time. It's got a wonderfully thick, foggy, dark, surreal but fun atmosphere. The new album also sounds much better and more 'three-dimensional' on headphones to me than most of their more recent albums do.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Overrated Ambient
« on: February 14, 2012, 04:57:43 PM »
Interesting thread.

I would say Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works Volume II. I really like the release - there are some tracks and some moments that are really quite sublime - but a few tracks seem a little irritating and prevent me from being able to be immersed in the release from beginning to end.

Another one could be Structures from Silence. Now, I do find this album absolutely beautiful, but I'm surprised how it's often viewed as one of Steve Roach's best. I enjoy so many Steve Roach releases more than this one (and more than Dreamtime Return, as it happens.) But maybe that's just me.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach 2012 Box Set
« on: January 17, 2012, 05:22:44 AM »
'Back to Life' is the best solo Steve Roach album I have heard in a while. It's not particularly different to what we've heard from him many times before, but it sounds very rich and it opens up parts of my soul in the way only great Steve Roach releases can. Where I have found some of his newer releases of this ilk a little lacking or raw in sound and detail, 'Back to Life' is deep and sonorous.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich: Medicine Box (2011)
« on: January 04, 2012, 09:46:40 AM »
What do others make of this release? I'd be interested in some more in-depth opinions now that it's been out for a while. I feel the same way about it on the whole - though the last track has grown on me a huge amount.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich: Medicine Box (2011)
« on: November 15, 2011, 06:04:51 PM »
I hate to sound negative, but in a similar way to Ylang, I'm finding this a bit difficult to get into. 'Kaaruwana' still sounds stunning, as do one or two other tracks. In fact, there are sublime moments and some beautiful melodic turns in this, and thankfully it is a more striking listen than Ylang. Generally, however, it's not nearly deep-amospheric or minimal enough for me to enjoy in a 'let it wash over you' kind of way, and it's a little too predictable and meandering for me to enjoy in the way I enjoy more 'active' music, if that makes any sense. The tracks kind of 'go' from start to finish in exactly the manner I'd expect them to. I agree with mystified, though; the pieces do have a lot of integrity, and Robert Rich obviously put a lot of care into this album. The production is as beautiful and as subtle as ever, and the music has real character. Hopefully it'll grow on me. 

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich: Medicine Box (2011)
« on: November 04, 2011, 08:42:55 PM »
I'm glad a thread has been made for this.

I've ordered my copy. The samples are all good, but 'Kaaruwana' is simply sublime. What heavenly music! I wasn't so sure about the vocals in Ylang, but here they take you somewhere very special.

Looking forward to others' impressions, and I'll post mine when it arrives.

I'm really impressed by "The Desert Inbetween". There are sound design elements in that album that I've not heard from a Steve Roach release before (perhaps that has something to do with Brian Parnham's computery stuff, field recordings and "trace" elements) and some of the tracks contain refreshingly unpredictable and experimental twists and turns. It's great to hear another Steve Roach collaboration with such sonic diversity and depth (they tend to more detailed in layering and production these days than the solo releases - which, for me, makes them have a greater emotional and atmospheric impact.)

Immersion 5 is pretty good, too. I really like the first disc, especially the first phase. The second disc sounds like lots of the darker effected guitar soundworlds Steve Roach has carved out in the past - it's not bad by any means, but it doesn't do much for me any more.

A few people have this now (and these things always seem to take forever to get to my place.)

I think some of us who don't have it are hungry for first impressions...Let's hear what you make of it, in as much detail as time affords you to give! ;)

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Recent music purchases
« on: January 12, 2011, 07:20:15 AM »
I just bought a bunch of Robert Rich releases I'd either lost or not got yet. 'Numena+Geometry', 'Somnium' 'Bestiary', 'Illumination' and 'Atlas Dei'.

I think they're all great. 'Illumination' surprised me the most, though. It didn't get much attention when it came out, and I ignored it at its release because of the fact it seemed to be presented as a mere companion piece to a larger work of media. But it's one of the most unusual and beautiful Rich releases in a long time, imho.

That Dreamstate video is truly fantastic.

I like the music also, of course.  ;)

Hi all,

'The Desert Inbetween' by Brian Parnham and Steve Roach and 'Immersion Five - Circadian Rhythms' both sound like they could be the most interesting Roach releases in a while. There's some refreshingly glurpy and scorching sounds in there amongst the usual soundwords and atmospheric/tribal sonic beds.   

(I think I can also hear Steve possibly having a bit too much fun with his Kaoss Pad 3's granular/glitch/delay functions in the latter sections of 'Circadian Rhythms'! ;-) )

I can't wait to hear both releases in full.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach - Sigh of Ages
« on: December 12, 2010, 05:25:32 PM »
some short excerpts from the upcoming THE DES(S)ERT INBETWEEN :-)
or for longer excerpts;

Thanks, this is sounding really fresh. Those longer excerpts especially - they're both on top form! Can't wait to get it.

Out of all his more recent releases, I've enjoyed Roach's collaboration albums more than his solo releases. Mystic Chords was his last solo release to have really blown me away and surprised me, but since then there's been a steady stream of excellent collaborative releases (and the solo stuff hasn't been bad by any means - just not quite as essential to my ears.)

This album is stunning. Anyone else got a copy?

Thank you... I enjoyed that interview.

I never thought you played live with your brother! :-)

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« on: June 03, 2010, 05:13:29 PM »
I have no problem with someone using a laptop and controllers live - if that's what's required to get their sound across and if they're actually re-rendering the material on the fly in some way. Some musicians are doing very interesting things with home made patches and sequencers in a live setting and I've been to lots of beautifully intense gigs involving laptops. In some ways, I find witnessing that just as exciting as great musicians interacting on traditional instruments, because I'm not there to watch some visual demonstration of musical athleticism but instead to listen to fresh sounds.

Obviously, context is important, and these things can be done tastelessly. Miming, for example, is awful, and I find using computers to replace acoustic instruments or things that could be played by other musicians rather despicable. I also think that some live playing by electronic musicians is karaoke-like, but not for the reasons that the author stated. Some electronic musicians, for example, have the laptop playing almost everything, but arbitrarily play one part themselves and occasionally pepper that with a tap on a drum machine here and a squirt from another machine there and plucks on guitar there. I would personally rather they dumped all those bits and bobs that perhaps look more impressive or live to onlookers - and instead explore ways of meaningfully and substantially changing the sounds being spewed out from the computer on the computer itself. Or, as some have been doing, combining that live computer-driven process with more traditional and blatantly live playing on 'proper' instruments.       

This sounds awesome. Just what I've been missing recently, this tribal, Serpent's Lair-esque music.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich: Ylang
« on: March 22, 2010, 03:42:57 AM »
It's strange, this album has grown "off" me somewhat, after the initial excitement of getting it in the post and playing it for the first time. Tracks like 'Ambergris', 'Verbena', 'Vetiver' and 'First Rain' are still enjoyable to me - especially that last track. But there are tracks (like 'Kalyani' or 'Charukesi') which simply sound like the average sort of music you'd hear in a competently played, well produced 'World' music album (I don't like the term either!) I've got lots of CDs which document, or are inspired by, the traditional music of various countries, and I was hoping for a little more of Robert's unusual magic in those moments.

Then the others sit in a strange half-way point between ambient music and something more traditionally musical or active, but don't quite hit the sweet spot either way for me. I can neither escape into their infinite depths as can be done on 'Somnium' or the best tribal ambient pieces, nor is there enough going on in the foreground for the brain to appreciate it in the same way you might enjoy your favorite non-ambient records.

I would say I'll listen to it more and see if it grows on me, but since the opposite is happening as I listen to it, I think it'd be best to leave it a while and see how it works in a different mood. 

Other Ambient (and related) Music / If animals!
« on: March 04, 2010, 07:26:44 PM »
If animals made ambient music, it'd be cockroaches that would produce the most unusual sort of ambiences. There's a lot of ambient music out there that sounds like it could have been made by birds - (both the grandiose sort, like eagles, and the twisted sort, like crows, and the pretty and petite sort, like robins and little tropical birdies) - and horses (not ponies, however), and butterflies, and dinosaurs, and tigers, and whales, and dolphins, etc. There is a definite lack of materials within this species of music which sound like they could have been created by cockroaches, however. They should be given a chance; it'd be a fascinating combination of urban squalor, deep, damp city drones, and microscopic hisses and scuttles. The music would smell beautifully rotten, too. It wouldn't be the usual, epic-smelling swirls of sublime animal scents, but something altogether more earthy, rusty, and wet. There isn't enough wet cockroach music. A miniature studio would have to be built, which sounds like a difficult task - but! if horses can manage to do their knob-twiddling with hooves, it shouldn't be impossible for these six legged glories to be provided a means to sound production. 

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 04, 2010, 05:10:32 AM »
I'm currently listening to Dynamic Stillness and the Live at Grace Cathedral album.

I'm really enjoying the live album, even if much of it consists of tracks I already own in studio form, but for some reason Dynamic Stillness isn't clicking with me yet. I really want it to, especially because of the stunning artwork and beautiful digipack layout, but it neither whisks me away like his other releases have done, nor works when I listen more 'closely'. I think I prefer disc 2 to the first one, so maybe I should stick to that one for now (though it does seem to have some weird hissing artifacts on tracks 2 and 3 - has anyone else noticed those? Perhaps they are deliberate). That repeating sequence in the very first 40 minute track ('Birth of Still Places') is really exhausting to get through!

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