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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich: Ylang
« on: March 03, 2010, 05:41:35 AM »
This might well be the most beautiful collection of new pieces of music I've heard in a long time. I'm so glad that Robert Rich takes time over each release - it pays off when the results are this distilled and detailed. I've been a bit disappointed in a few new ambient/electronic releases by other artists in the last couple of months, so it's so relieving and exciting to discover that Robert Rich's latest is something of a masterpiece. You can hear there is blood and sweat put into his music, as well as inspiration.    

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich New CD and Tour
« on: February 23, 2010, 04:18:10 AM »
The samples sound great. Can't wait till my copy arrives.

This year looks set to be a brilliant year all round for releases. Lots of great new things coming out - including a new Autechre, which I'm sure you're all thrilled about. ;)

Paul Vnuk and Ben Swire - I absolutely agree that knowing how to apply compression, different kinds of EQ, multi-band compression and other studio techniques is important in forming beautiful sonics, and that having an understanding of music theory and at least one 'traditional' instrument can only be a help. I certainly wasn't speaking as an anti traditionalist, and I'm just as bored by people who are opposed to any formal musical training on principle as I am by traditional musicians who dismiss our music as not being 'real music' or old skool rock 'n' roll producers who scoff at any unusual or novel applications of studio techniques. A few folk in more noise-based 'avant garde'  circles (for want of a better word) come across as far more close minded than the traditionalists they oppose, and though they think they are free, I believe real freedom comes when you have worked hard at a form, consistently, over many years.

I wasn't speaking about collaboration, or studying music theory or production in an academic way, or even sitting down with a more knowledgeable producer or mastering engineer to listen through your work and critique it. I'm so thankful I've had those experiences, especially when they've been brutally honest - painful though they can be! No; I was specifically uncomfortable with the idea of ambient music being taught by some 'master', as if the rules of the genre have been established like the rules of harmonizing a Bach chorale. I just don't think it fits the nature of this movement (unless, like I said, we're talking about ambient-ish music for commercial purposes, like a film score or adverts or whatever), and I don't think the idea even honours the genre's traditions. Plus, we've already got too many sound-alikes as it is. ;)   

In this kind of music, though, should there be a blueprint that's just being used natively? I'm wary of setting parameters on movements like these - once a form of expression is totally defined, it can die. I can understand the idea for more popular genres, or for film scoring or whatever, where the entire point of the exercise is to form something using tried and tested methods for a commercial purpose - but something in me is uncomfortable with the idea of 'ambient' music being taught or passed down in stone. Collaboration is of course a totally different thing.

I agree with everything that is being said about production, but if you have a good pair of ears, are self critical enough, and if you are dedicated to the act of refining your sonics till they really breathe and kick and scream, I think over time you will naturally accumulate technical know-how and musical processes - and a knowledge of how to apply these processes - to get professional results. The love of your form will drive you to explore traditional approaches to production in detail, and perhaps, ways beyond those.


Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: My albums
« on: January 20, 2010, 07:32:21 PM »
I know this is very late, but I'd like to thank you for that review!

Here it is, in case anyone else on this wondrous corner of the internet is interested:

I know I said I wouldn't bump this thread, but I listened to Inscape again for the first time in months - and unlike the feelings and disgust and horror that often permeate my brain while listening to much of my new music - I actually thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I believe the album may please other people's ears also.   

The art work/digipak is very nice, either way. ;)

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: kraftwerk BBC Interview
« on: January 20, 2010, 06:37:18 AM »
Thanks, I found this on iPlayer. A great program for anyone interested in Krautrock...

Thank you for that. An insightful interview...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Where are they now? another edition
« on: December 12, 2009, 07:54:22 AM »
That's a shame. There's an incredible quality to his music, and I love his production values. I'll probably have to somehow track down another copy of Planetary Unfolding soon, though. My vinyl copy won't play anymore.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Where are they now? another edition
« on: December 11, 2009, 06:15:26 PM »
Is Michael Stearns going to put out another solo album any time soon?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach News
« on: October 09, 2009, 05:44:39 AM »
This sort of atonal, synths-out-of-tune idea has just run out of steam I'm afraid.  Nice cover design, though.  Looking forward to some new ideas from SR.   

I can see why you would say that. I've enjoyed the technique in past works, but 'Afterlight' doesn't excite me so much - either because I've heard a similar process from him before, so I'm more consciously aware of the technical/musical aspects of it than I should be, or because it isn't as effectively structured to my ears as it could have been. 

Still, to have released so many albums over such a long period and to have maintained this level of quality is a huge achievement. And his new material is still very high quality - I'd just be excited to hear him create something a little more active or detailed again. I know his imagination could surprise us as once more as it has done time and time again.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: upcoming raison d'ętre album
« on: October 09, 2009, 05:33:29 AM »
I didn't know about raison d’ętre's music, but I've been exploring it after reading this thread. It really is great: it's wonderful to hear ambient music with this kind of punch - some of it has got a real visceral energy to it. I suppose I should investigate the rest of the label, too.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach News
« on: September 22, 2009, 01:20:49 PM »
Does Afterlight change and develop substantially over its 74 minute duration (in a way that the Immersions don't)? I understand why they are mostly static, at least on a macro level - and it works for those pieces - but I'm not sure about getting another release of that nature.

The sample does sound very interesting...

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: My albums
« on: April 20, 2009, 05:15:23 AM »
Thanks Undershadow. I hope you enjoy the C.D.

The samples for the new one sound great. I'll be getting it for sure.

I thoroughly enjoyed Secret Observatory and Autumn Continent - in fact I've been playing Autumn Continent constantly while doing my dissertation over here in Hungary. It fits in beautifully in these surroundings (not that it doesn't sound amazing everywhere else) and has made the experience much more bearable - even at times, enjoyable - than it would have otherwise been.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: My albums
« on: April 07, 2009, 12:18:33 PM »
In case anyone is interested, I've put the title track up on my myspace (though the myspace player has ruined its sound quality more than it usually does, for some reason.) Also, I've noticed Boomkat put samples up of all the tracks for listening, complete with a cute beep every 30 seconds:

A rather lovely review of the album has also been written:

Ok, I won't bump this thread any more after this. :) Any feedback would be welcome - things have been quite quiet around this one in general. Never mind! Onwards and upwards and all that.

I love Mystic Chords and Sacred Spaces (and most of Steve's work), but for some reason these excerpts aren't quite doing it for me. Then again, they are excerpts, and I probably went in with the wrong expectations. The incredible artwork, some great recent Roach releases, the disc's write up and the long period the work was composed over made me expect bold and radical soundworls like the shimmering beauties that reside in Mystic Chords and Sacred Spaces or even The Magnificent Void, rather than the more subtle, vague-sounding snippets on display here (with one or two exceptions). If I give Roach's music a break for a while and buy the full product I think I'll end up loving it like usual, though. :) Perhaps I've been listening to too much of his material, rendering this as a bit "Roach-by-numbers" (when it may be something more special altogether.)   

Other Ambient (and related) Music / My albums
« on: March 30, 2009, 03:38:40 AM »
Hello women and men,

Inspired by Parallel World's threads, I thought it'd be good to let the forum humans know about my own non-Hypnos projects. I didn't do it when Cognessence or Grinder came out, but now that the second Slowfoot album, Inscape, is out, and because its supporting E.P, Accurate Spit Boy spurted out into the world a few days ago, I figured it'd be good time to do a thread on them.

They are all the result of months of obsessive playing, recording, programming, mangling, etc. etc. drawn from anywhere in the environment, from any piece of software or hardware... Musical inspiration includes lots of 20th/21st century classical music, the sort of ambient music we discuss here, Hungarian folk (though that element is often buried) and the more experimental ends of electronic music, as well as dub, grime, dubstep, detroit techno, dancehall, "idm", etc.

I reckon the two albums (rather than the E.Ps) would be of more interest to Hypnos folk - the E.Ps are on vinyl and attempt to aim for the dancefloor (I'm not quite sure how successful they actually are at that, but some creatures will dance to anything. ;)

My myspace is here:

My ambient myspace is here: 

Here is the page Slowfoot did for Cognessence:

Here is the page they've done for Inscape:

And here's some reviews:

(and I got some scans of magazine reviews and put them on my myspace blog, here:

Thanks to any of you who have already heard any of my music and shared feedback. I tend to get very self-critical about it, especially once it's out, so that's a real encouragement.



New cd cover posted, and description of the cd.

I get the vibes already that it might be the best roach cd yet.
The cd cover looks deeply inspiring as well.

Yes, that is a very, very beautiful cover. Even though I really like the music on Stream of Thought, the cover of that release doesn't do it for me. 

Thanks for this! I look forward to reading the rest of the review. :-)

The Wire just did a rather scathing review of my second Slowfoot album, "Inscape", so this has come as a nice surprise. Their review didn't specify any musical problems with the record or mention any tracks, though - in fact, the first half contains a fairly flattering account of the music. Once their attention turns to the "clunky" concept behind the record, however (though it isn't based on any single specific concept - the press release, which I didn't write, amplified a single piece of inspiration into a central theme), they accuse it of having an absense of "taste" and an "unsettlingly careerist sheen".

Still, any critical perspective is interesting and valid, and I'm thankful to The Wire for reviewing the record at all. I just found the final accusation unfair; I don't think any of us here who are involved in crafting the kind of music we're crafting have careerism in mind! ;)

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