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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Autechre - is it worth it?
« on: January 31, 2008, 05:08:37 PM »
I'd be curious to hear that! It could well end up sounding rubbish - but that'd be no different to a classically trained composer/musician having a first attempt at Max/MSP! I think you're right in suggesting that a competent combination of these two worlds is what would be very interesting - and I have yet to find that, though I'd love to. Often, I find one side or the other lacking; either the orchestrated/acoustic elements are too obvious and overly predictable in terms of harmony, or the programming is not terribly engaging.

I find what you said about acoustic vs synthetic sounds interesting, as I've heard a lot of people say that, and it does make sense. I do get moved by instrumental and orchestral works, but for me, personally, electronically created sounds can be just as moving, if not more moving. A deep, expansive sound world by Steve Roach really opens me up in ways only my favorite instrumental works can (although I'm aware a lot of his source material is acoustic), and I'm just as moved when I improvise on the piano as I am with a synthesizer and a rig of effects. I guess it just depends on who you are and what your ears like!

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Autechre - is it worth it?
« on: January 31, 2008, 10:43:58 AM »
I have to respectfully disagree (although I'm listening to Quaristice and it's pretty disappointing at the moment, to be honest...)

I mean, I know it's subjective thing, but I do find their music emotional - but not in the same way more traditional music might make me emotional. Confield especially sets my imagination on fire in places in a very unusual way; even if I can't state whether it makes me "happy" or "sad" or "nostalgic", or whatever, it does make me feeling something - something quite new and strange and very pleasurable in all its dark, organic, weirdness.

And I don't think they're simply lead by technology - they're pushing it in very interesting ways and it allows them do things that normal instruments could never do. I wish more artists explored software and synthesis in as much depth and with as much daring as they often do! Granted, what they do is very composed and often based on programmed processes and is not at all "live" sounding, but that's just them; if you want live music, stay away! As someone who has looked into max/msp quite a bit and also used some of the same live equipment they use, I can see that they're doing some very interesting things (apart from on the new album, which has some pretty lazy max programming in one track and also pretty obvious use of the monomachine, but never mind...) That's not the main reason I like them, though; I like them because all that experimenting leads to tasty, bizarre sounds that do provoke an emotional response in me.

Chiastic Slide is still my favorite of theirs, though, in spite of my appreciation of their new material. Cipater is just such an awesome track, especially the way it shifts into the second section half way through and changes time signature. That whole album has such a beautiful, dark, emotionally-charged atmosphere and it was also demonstrating  some really innovative programming techniques.

Ok, enough Autecre defending for one day.  ;) I don't even like their new stuff THAT much anyway, and I wouldn't want to make music like theirs. I just think they deserve more credit than they're getting; they could have easily gone on making Tri Repeataes for the rest of their careers, but I guess they didn't want to do that. I respect that.

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Looking good. Hypnos marches on, tall and strong. Roaaarrr.

I'm watching Planet Earth. Those deep sea creatures would make an amazing cover.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Autechre - is it worth it?
« on: January 31, 2008, 02:01:22 AM »
Wow, what an interesting thread. I don't know who these Autechre guys are, or what their music is like,  but seldom have I read such consistently vitriolic criticism of a band's style of music (or non-music?) You guys really do sound like scorned lovers!

However, someone out there must enjoy their music, right?

I disagree wholeheartedly with all the posts here and I do like their new music. A lot. :P

I just find a lot of their new stuff very intense, complex, alien, and yes, emotional. Not all of it hits the mark, but when it does, it makes for a very exciting listen. If you want melodies, pretty harmonies, or beautiful atmospherics, there's plenty of other musicians covering that ground quite nicely. If you want some very odd, skittery, edge-of-the-dancefloor (and beyond), daring, original sounding music, then go for them with an open mind.  I actually like "Confield", strange as it might sound; listening to that loud with all the lights off is a potent experience. I can see why people would find their music difficult, but I just can't help but love it. I didn't even really need to "make" myself enjoy it, either - it was was like finding something I had always been looking for. Maybe I'm just insane....

I do love melodic and harmonic elements in music, and my favorite composers explore these elements in ways I love, but who says they have to be there? Why should Autechre compromise when there's plenty of music with less dissonance (including their own early stuff) out there? I'm quite happy with them concentrating on the splutters, gurgles, and weird, unpredictable track morphings, and I look forward to them becoming even more unpredictable, intricate and experimental yet. For me, what they're doing isn't random; it's involving, logical, music - it's just that they're a bit more playful with the rules than others might be. Like I said, I appreciate less "deranged" music, too, and I personally wouldn't ever go as "out there" and difficult as Autechre with my own music, but when you're in the mood, Autechre provide something quite special. I understand why people are upset with their new direction, but my bizarre brain seems to enjoy it.

I think they are still pretty popular - the special 2cd edition of Quaristice (priced at a ridiculous £25) sold out within a day. There were a thousand copies of it...

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Hi everyone,

I just did a mix of my music and had an interview with BBC's Mary Anne Hobbs. If any of you are interested in hearing my more beat-driven, aggressive music, please give it a listen! I'm about 45 minutes into the show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/maryannehobbs/

ps - I'm not very good at interviews! I would have given completely different answers had I not been so nervous and bad at talking to strangers about my music spontaneously. And I am aware that Igor Stravinsky is NOT a 21st century composer. ;)

Enjoy!

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I enjoyed that interview - was it live, or did you email the answers? I especially liked the more technical stuff about your setup. ;)

You did a lot better than me - I was just interviewed the other day for the Mary Anne Hobbs show, and running up to it I had all these great answers planned. But when it came to the actual event, I mumbled some fairly mundane inarticulate stuff and was too nervous to go into as much detail as I wanted...

Ah well. All with practice, eh?

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Hypnos Label Releases / Re: Viridian Sun
« on: January 14, 2008, 04:34:11 AM »
Looks great. Will you post any samples up from the sessions before it's edited into the release? My curiosity has been kindled. ;)

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Hypnos Label Releases / Re: CD release: Nverxion - A Look Within
« on: December 25, 2007, 08:49:19 AM »
These samples certainly sound beautiful. When I get back from California I'll purchase this. Nice work, Nverxion! I especially liked From Where I Stand and In This Place I Rest, but I'll give more detailed feedback once I get the actual CD, as I'm sure samples don't do it justice.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: between interval
« on: December 24, 2007, 06:40:46 PM »
I have Secret Observatory and the Autumn one. They're both pretty lovely discs, up there with the best. I was surprised on how minimal his setup is; shows you can make good music with anything, providing you've got the imagination.

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: December 17, 2007, 01:30:03 PM »
I'd be really interested in your opinions on the workshop things Steve Roach and his wife are doing...

http://steveroach.com/live/workshops/

I've never heard about that horse stuff before. Has anyone been on one of these retreats, or knows anyone else who has? Is the price fair?

I haven't got an opinion either way. Just curious.


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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach discussion
« on: December 13, 2007, 10:45:02 AM »
I really like "Early Man". There's some wonderful and unusual sound design and processing on that one, and it sounds quite different to all his other albums, too.

Anybody else a fan of "Trance Spirits" here? I'm not that keen on all of it, but the title piece is perhaps my favorite tribal-ambient work ever. It pulls at your heart in a way that few musical works can. It could go on twice as long and I'd be quite happy to sit through it, doing nothing else except listening (although I think he judged the length perfectly for that piece.) Wonderful stuff.

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