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The problem with live recorded music is that it is no longer live when it is a recording. That must seem like an obvious thing to say and perhaps you completely disagree with me Scott, but listening to live music when it's not played live is a very different experience from listening to live music as it is being played.

There's something about being in a room with a lot of people, and experiencing a "performance" where musicians are able to interact with the group. Most bands have sets and play lists so the effect is minimal, but it's often still noticeable. With electronic, free form, abstracter music the effect is far greater though, almost like being outside in nature, part of a group wandering.

Yet, and having said that, I really do like listening to your work even if it's a recording. It's obvious you're also wandering while you where playing and not following a predefined path. I say obvious, but that's how it comes across, maybe you DID plan very well (and in that case, very good too).

Somehow, the tension of a live performance (where will they go next, where are we now?) comes across well in these samplings.

I also like how as one layer of attention and sounds goes away, there is a shimmer of sound behind it...often the point where you fade out the track and I think...ahhh...I wish I was there to hear where they go next. I especially like her_terrain, sounds modern and old at the same time, I really like it. 

Thanks for sharing these!

Thanks for your comments Jeff and Matthew and especially the deep thoughts about the difference in experiencing live music vs experiencing the recordings of live music. Sorry to take so long to respond but here it is...

Having experienced hundreds of ambient (and mainly improvised) performances at THE AMBiENT PiNG, I can only agree with you Matthew. Even the periods of probing and
uncertain wandering can make the areas where the music all comes together stand higher in the journey of the set. The sharing of the trip changes and charges the experience. Since most AMBiENT PiNG shows aren't in concert venues but in bars and clubs, the experience of each person in the room of the performance will also be different depending on their level of focus at any moment and if they're just letting the music be an environment vs a concert - as per Eno's original definition of ambient music.

When I release a dreamSTATE live recording - I don't hesitate to edit out the "periods of probing and uncertain wandering" if I can achieve it gracefully
and leave what I consider to be the more interesting or more feeling parts of a set. (This is why I usually describe such live excerpts as edits, extracts or ummm excerpts.)
Therefore, listening to the results is definitely a different experience from being at the performance and perhaps more like photos or videos from the journey.

On the setlist front - Jamie and I traditionally draw up what we call a "map" to help keep our set moving along (slowly but surely) so we don't get too trapped in a fog
of our own creation along the way or stuck in a key or drone forever!  A tempo indicator helps us set up delays/loopers/arpegiators to be synchrosonic and grooving.
Something along the lines of: 1) Dark intro (G#m) 10",  2) Atonal 5",  3) Pastoral (A) 10"  4) Groove (Em T80) 10" etc...   We'll nudge each other to move along, if required. Although the general "path" is predetermined, I know one hand will often be setting up a fresh sound anticipating a new twist in the flow and we'll end up traveling in a different direction altogether and the scape is abandoned before being birthed. You may not experience that aspect Matthew as my impression is that you might use a single instrument in live performance, while I like to have at least three - so that one can be setup while playing the other two.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Happy (and relieved) to be alive
« on: June 06, 2009, 10:35:33 AM »
So glad they caught your problem Forest!
(and Holy Smokes Jim! Glad you're still with us too.)

Everything and Nothing / Re: 3rd grandson!
« on: June 04, 2009, 04:46:44 AM »
Congrats Jim!

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: June 03, 2009, 07:43:15 AM »
"The Glittering Domain" by Deepspace - very satisfying ummm... deep space music - very good to work within.
"Landmass" by Steve Roach - I'd declare this album and "Dynamic Stillness" to be my fave Roach releases in recent years.
NP - "Still Life" by Amongst Myselves - opening with "Ra's Playground" a slowly evolving track that appeared on one of those Ambient@Hyperreal CDs.

Thanks for the insight. I'd thought it was Sunn Oh as well.
They've played Toronto once or twice and I've been intrigued to experience them
but repelled by their reputation as being superloud - which I try to avoid now.  :o
I particularly liked their track on the Buddha Machine comp.
Album recommendations for something more than sludge?

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: short feature on Pete Namlook
« on: June 01, 2009, 07:59:00 AM »
Traveling through the Rockies on the Alberta side I fantasized about having
an A-frame studio perched on a mountainside - but eventually realized that
the influence of the mountains would transform my music into one long timeless drone...

I'd form an all Ted Nugent cover band!

Not an all Mountain cover band?

Traveling through the Rockies on the Alberta side I fantasized about having
an A-frame studio perched on a mountainside - but eventually realized that
the influence of the mountains would transform my music into one long timeless drone...

Everything and Nothing / Re: found sounds
« on: May 22, 2009, 06:50:07 AM »
                I agree to Antdude to his statement try adding some water to the tin.

and 3 ounces of scotch and a little ice: record and sip, record and sip...

Good one!

Everything and Nothing / Re: Downloading Music and Rights
« on: April 19, 2009, 06:23:27 PM »
Immersion - It sounds like you believe that Mr Roach should have a day job too
and make music in his spare time - and that, therefore, works like "Mystic Chords"
should not exist.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Ungrounded outlets and equipment safety
« on: April 13, 2009, 10:31:41 AM »
This is just personal experience - so don't sue me when your studio goes China-Syndrome
but while I did have an electrician add a properly grounded outlet set to my studio
(went outside the house in a conduit from the breakers in a faraway part of the house)
For many years I've had to isolate the 3rd prong on some of my gear to eliminate hum.
ie: my Moogs and computers - including the laptop which I'm typing on right no#^*#&#%HHGUG878%#$^(&)&@&(___@&&_. . .  :o

Honest to God - that power-pop-rock-ballad thing they called a theme
for the last TV Trek used to inspire me to turn off the TV.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 23, 2009, 01:07:51 PM »
Monday morning work starter was Love Cannot Bear by Mr Fripp (Less screechy pitch-shifter than on some of his other Soundscapes series - a nice one)
followed by Tainted Bare Skin by Ron Boots to up the energy into some Berlin-school (last track (in a dance style) had a bit too much NRG)
followed this afternoon by more Berlin - Chris Franke's London Concert which was a pretty darn slick production - I think his producer was the other player at the show.

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 09, 2009, 12:56:34 PM »
Welcome to the working week sonics today:

On the transit -
Aidan Baker - Songs of Flowers and Skin - Thick, gooey, gazey songs of...

At the desk -
V/A - The Ambient Expanse - Probably my most-played ambient compilation.
Automatic Fats - Molasses Springs - High cholesterol, head-nodding, dubby trippiness.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Slow Flow
« on: March 09, 2009, 04:45:04 AM »
Pure Heat is still up for grabs!

Any idea if the CDr is just in a clear plastic sleeve or in a jewel case with booklet?

Enjoyed the track - but the critters in the garden sounded like they came from somewhere South of Heaven. 

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« on: March 02, 2009, 08:38:26 AM »
Monday morning work starters:

On transit: Joni Mitchell - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - Very fine music with a very midrangy production.
Feist - Open Season - Enjoyable remixes.

At work with coffees: Stars of the Lid - Per Aspera Ad Astra - Very nice but a bit bothersome when the strings come in much louder on Anchor States. This would be a non-issue on vinyl (separate sides).
Circular Ruins - Retrospective 2009 - A consistant musical vision across a decade of work.

i've encountered this problem with that set as well. weird thing is that it plays on cheap cd players like module systems and walkmans but not on pc's or higher end gear.
btw: is sombient a sublabel of asphodel? i recall that they were tryibg to make it a subgenre of ambient (and i loved their definition - plunderphonics!.)

Hi Jim - On the origin of plunderphonics -

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Jorge Reyes (R.I.P.)
« on: February 10, 2009, 05:17:31 AM »
How sad for the world to lose another artist still filled with such vitality.

Hi Steve - I've kept a U220 around if only for the strings and choirs. They're just beautiful.

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