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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« Last post by Tardigrade on December 04, 2016, 02:06:31 PM »

So, you might loose the original intent and content of music. Especially the weightlessness of music can be lost by maximizing, compressing and EQing.

I'm not sure what you mean by losing weightlessness.  Maybe you mean losing dynamic range?  I try to maintain a reasonably wide dynamic range for the style.  If the original has too much dynamic range for my ears, then it will get compressed a little, but it won't get squashed to death.  Not even close. 
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« Last post by Tardigrade on December 04, 2016, 01:49:59 PM »
I listen to music on a few different systems ranging from slightly better than average consumer stereo equipment such as a Yamaha amp and JBL speakers to a fancy hifi system I paid too much for.  I listen through Sennheisser headphones occasionally.  Sometimes I listen with 5.1 surround.  Ambient on a decent surround system can be very enjoyable.     

The music is processed and edited using Wavelab and mostly Waves plug ins.  The results sound good to me on multiple systems.  I try not to over do it and try to maintain a reasonably wide dynamic range. 

The main reason I did this was because I prefer random shuffle play most of the time and grew tired of the wide variance from track to track.

I'm not sure exactly which chain you want to know and doubt it will make the statement you quoted sound less odd.
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Listening: Podcasts, Mixes, and Music Sample Clips / Re: Ambient 021
« Last post by Ekstasis on December 04, 2016, 01:41:27 PM »
This is a cool piece, especially the first half is truly mesmerizing. Really love that first part.

Thanks a lot for taking the time to listen and your good feedback! :)

I am glad you like the first part. 
Even if I have Lexicon and eventide reverbs now I think Might go back to ariesverb and check it out again it sounds very good for open natural space sounds like in the beginning.

All sounds was recorded real time, all sounds was triggered with my midi keyboard in real time.
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« Last post by Ekstasis on December 04, 2016, 01:28:43 PM »
New to the forum.  First post here.

This may sound outrageous, but I've digitally re-mastered the majority of my Ambient music collection.  Thousands of songs from every era.  Vinyl, CD and various digital download formats.

The reason for this was to create a unified digital library that I could dump into iTunes, hit shuffle play and never have to adjust the volume or EQ.  The process was very time consuming.  The results please my ears.  Life is good.

Ambient music has had a lot of variability in terms of volume, dynamics and eq in the past.  It still does today.

I understand there are many opinions in terms of what is ideal volume.  My opinion is Ambient should be mastered at a higher relative volume than what 70% of my collection delivered.  However, I believe Ambient is a genre that benefits from a wide dynamic range, so I'm not saying it should be slammed. 

It is possible to have a wide dynamic range and still be much louder at the same amplifier setting.  For example, a song that peaks at -5db and has an average of -25db can be louder without sacrificing dynamics.  Ambient songs that have the right dynamic range, but are weak on the relative volume made me reach for the dreaded volume knob.  Not anymore, though.  ;)
       
I see no advantage to mastering something quiet in terms of volume when the same dynamic range can be achieved at a higher relative volume.


       

This sounds very odd to me.  Please to clarify the situation can you write down your exact sound chain.
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« Last post by stargazer on December 04, 2016, 06:05:22 AM »
New to the forum.  First post here.

This may sound outrageous, but I've digitally re-mastered the majority of my Ambient music collection.  Thousands of songs from every era.  Vinyl, CD and various digital download formats.

The reason for this was to create a unified digital library that I could dump into iTunes, hit shuffle play and never have to adjust the volume or EQ.  The process was very time consuming.  The results please my ears.  Life is good.

Ambient music has had a lot of variability in terms of volume, dynamics and eq in the past.  It still does today.

I understand there are many opinions in terms of what is ideal volume.  My opinion is Ambient should be mastered at a higher relative volume than what 70% of my collection delivered.  However, I believe Ambient is a genre that benefits from a wide dynamic range, so I'm not saying it should be slammed. 

It is possible to have a wide dynamic range and still be much louder at the same amplifier setting.  For example, a song that peaks at -5db and has an average of -25db can be louder without sacrificing dynamics.  Ambient songs that have the right dynamic range, but are weak on the relative volume made me reach for the dreaded volume knob.  Not anymore, though.  ;)
       
I see no advantage to mastering something quiet in terms of volume when the same dynamic range can be achieved at a higher relative volume.


       

If you collect music and listen to the music in a playlist or even mix the songs, it always needs adjustments. And it is up to the collector to do so.
But I dont think that you can make standarts of that.

The way of listening to music changed a bit over the last decade. Today we have "Streaming" mostly, with options for a standardised normalizing, blending and sound improving, for instance preconfigured channel strips. The need for this standarts seems to grow with the grow of digital streaming. This development goes with the development in the film industry and mainstream record labels.

So, you might loose the original intent and content of music. Especially the weightlessness of music can be lost by maximizing, compressing and EQing.
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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by Poaalpina on December 03, 2016, 09:25:17 PM »
Can't remember the name of the album.  The Photo of Santiago McKinn is the song.  Daniel Lanois plays the guitar in this one.  Beautiful song.

This song is from the album named "By The Dawn's Early Light". https://www.discogs.com/Harold-Budd-By-The-Dawns-Early-Light/master/33860
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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by Julio Di Benedetto on December 03, 2016, 08:58:16 PM »
Good post Tardigrade....Dont know the Budd track.  Would like to know the album though.

In a place of graceful shapes....very special.
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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by Tardigrade on December 03, 2016, 08:24:35 PM »


Taylor Deupree and Marcus Fischer - In a Place of Such Graceful Shapes

A single long play I divided into shorter segments.  Shorter works better in the shuffle.   
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert rich - Vestiges
« Last post by Tardigrade on December 03, 2016, 07:18:32 PM »
It seems like RR is suddenly almost churning out music at Steve Roach rate?  Not a complaint.  RR's previous album with emphasis on PVC flutes is on my wish list.  What We Left Behind.  Or something like that?
 
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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by Tardigrade on December 03, 2016, 07:11:34 PM »
The only song I kept from a Harold Budd CD I bought before we could actually listen to music before we bought it.  Can't remember the name of the album.  The Photo of Santiago McKinn is the song.  Daniel Lanois plays the guitar in this one.  Beautiful song.

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