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For me it would depend on the circumstances of each case - the last recording I did with Oophoi is still waiting for release. Gigi also sent me a set of minidiscs and personally asked me to keep his music alive after he was gone - a project I've yet to get round to acting on anywhere near as fully as I would have liked to.

I to am in a similar situation but with A Produce. Barry the last few years made a bunch of unfinished tracks that he would just send to his musical friends for them to use or mess with if they felt like it. Several of us at one point talked about maybe doing a collaborative CD where we each did a track using that material. Also, I have maybe 20 CDs of sounds that Barry made, I could easily make another joint release using the left over sounds he gave me. I  have given it some not very serious thoughts about doing that, but that's as far as I have taken it, I haven't really considered the "moral" dilemma except that If decided to do it, to possibly asking his former wife permission.

Muslimgauze is probably the ultimate extreme example of this. He's been dead for 15 years, yet solo and collaborative and remix releases keep popping up. But I have to wonder, this seems more personal, you've posted before about this collaboration before, so I'm going to reserve judgement on this as I don't know the full story as to why you keep bringing this up.
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I think of it this way, what if it was you that died and you still had lots of music that you composed but never got to release. Would you want someone to put it out there for you or just let ones music die with you???

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Computers, Internet and Technology / Re: Windows 10
« Last post by mgriffin on May 26, 2016, 11:36:29 AM »
So far, I've upgraded about 20 of the PCs here at work (less than half of the total) to Win 10 and I will try to upgrade the rest before the free upgrade offer expires in July.


It's pretty important to make sure you have the most current drivers for your hardware, and if you do, everything seems to run pretty well. I've even been surprised to find that some older PCs that barely ran Windows 8 seem to do a little better with Windows 10.


I haven't run into any programs that won't run in Win 10, but this is a business environment, so there's no media/audio software or gaming to consider.
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This one was done before Gigi's death, and he did hear the completed album and agree that it should come out. The delay is my fault.... speaking of which, I owe Mr. Seren Ffordd an email!
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An interesting question, for various reasons.

For me it would depend on the circumstances of each case - the last recording I did with Oophoi is still waiting for release. Gigi also sent me a set of minidiscs and personally asked me to keep his music alive after he was gone - a project I've yet to get round to acting on anywhere near as fully as I would have liked to.
   Doing this is clearly a limited project, complicated by trying to identify which of the sounds may already be out there in the many recordings he released.
   I think the best I could do is to make something of a dedication / tribute release that tries to honour Gigi's life and passion for the music.

I do think that if your post had stayed at the first 2 paragraphs it might have started an interesting discussion - but the rest of your post moves into specific personal territory that makes it difficult to respond to in a 'neutral' moral discussion basis.
   

Have he heard the album with his own ears ? or was this done after his death ?
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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by chris23 on May 26, 2016, 06:48:10 AM »
I agree, cvac. This one and Memory Shell stand out for me; some of the other releases seem forgettable.
https://ultimae.bandcamp.com/album/memory-shell
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I agree with all of Seren's points. Whether the collaboration functions as a tribute or exploitation probably has a lot to do with the relationship between the artists in question. Gigi had close working relationships with many artists, including Seren. I assume we will continue to see fragments of Gigi's work in those releases given that many projects were left unfinished and, in other cases, people may wish to pay tribute to him and his mentorship.

I don't have any insight into the relationship between Tomas and Klaus. But I'm confident that Tomas holds Klaus in high regard. Thus, I'm inclined to assume the new releases represent a way of honoring his work and continuing his legacy.

I'm not sure it is possible to financially exploit anyone in a niche genre such as this one. Although I agree that, if Roach were to pass on and a rich individual were to buy his archives and equipment and begin releasing "collaborations," it would seem fishy.

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An interesting question, for various reasons.

For me it would depend on the circumstances of each case - the last recording I did with Oophoi is still waiting for release. Gigi also sent me a set of minidiscs and personally asked me to keep his music alive after he was gone - a project I've yet to get round to acting on anywhere near as fully as I would have liked to.
   Doing this is clearly a limited project, complicated by trying to identify which of the sounds may already be out there in the many recordings he released.
   I think the best I could do is to make something of a dedication / tribute release that tries to honour Gigi's life and passion for the music.

I do think that if your post had stayed at the first 2 paragraphs it might have started an interesting discussion - but the rest of your post moves into specific personal territory that makes it difficult to respond to in a 'neutral' moral discussion basis.
   

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I would like a moral debate, in ambient music and context would you consider it to be ok to release a  "collaboration" cds where about 50% of each artist are 50% responsible for the music, but for this collaboration albums the other artist is dead from some years back ?

Is it ok releasing leftover drones and soundscapes from this artist to mix 50% with the other "collaborator".
Can it even be called a collbaration if the other part is laying in the grave and really can't make any decisions at all, or of it is even ok to mix his music with the other person who is alive ? is it ok if this person also make financial profit on this albums too.

I am talking about the newly released albums

Klaus Wiese & Tomas Weiss - Aeon and Klaus Wiese & Tomas Weiss - Adrift

Klaus wiese is dead since some years back, and some people are using his leftovers to release collaboration albums and build a career with klaus work and name and reputation

I just find it shocking how low some people can go just to earn some few bucks, but it is kind of clear using dead mans music in ambient music contact and put it 50% mix and then the other artist just add the other 50% on top is for me a big moral dilemma.

The description does not make the picture more clear either of how both people where involved in this collaboration process.

I just want to make to warn people before buying this that this album is only a "fake collaboration" just imagine if steve roach was dead and he left some unreleased material on tape after him and I would take 50% of the mix and merge it with 50% of my music and make it a collaboration, it is not a real a collaboration.  I think what is being done here is that a small  artist using using another artist well known name and reputation and make himself a artistic and financial career on that, I think morally speaking he is reaching new low waters I hope people will not support this shameless releases.
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