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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: recording for beginners
« Last post by APK on May 15, 2016, 03:10:34 PM »
Yep, I'd second the Valhalla reverbs. Excellent.
Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« Last post by stargazer on May 15, 2016, 12:31:07 PM »
Yes mastering with Ambient music is very different to other music. Please feel free to share your experience on this...

There was a warning to this topic which said "...this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days...".
Still, I wanted to share my ideas not in a new thread but here  ;)

I listen to music and ambient music since 22 years, I played ambient from vinyls, Cd's and Files.
It always needed a correction in the Eq's. Therefor, I agree with the people here who say: Mastering ambient music is mostly about Eqing.

Personally, in my music productions (I make music since 2009) I prefer the natural sound of an instrument, effect gear, audio interface, audio mixing console and daw.
I dont use Eq's and compression anymore. I create the sound on the instrument as if I would master. All equipment on, and really, this is underestimated.

The equipment makes the sound. Most important is the audio mixing console and an external audio interface.
If you want to create professional ambient music, you need to hear differences, before you even think about compression.

I agree with the opionion of the people here in this thread. Ambient music needs headroom (especially music with deep ends).
To understand compression, just imagine consolidation, and your ears will guide you.

Some experiences with mixing/mastering:
A sub bass without (the right amount of) headroom, makes pressure in your ears.
A stereo-imager used on panning sounds can make them lost in the spectrum.
Eqing can change the tones/mood of the music.
Extreme stereo panning (left-right-rotation) makes pressure in your ears.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: recording for beginners
« Last post by Scott M2 on May 15, 2016, 11:58:51 AM »
Good quality reverb is important. I'd recommend Valhalla verbs as a quality affordable option. I use their Room a lot but they're all good.
Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: recording for beginners
« Last post by APK on May 15, 2016, 10:57:34 AM »
Yep, these things work both ways ... recording into and listening from a computer. You will get a better quality signal from it than using the built in audio output.

Of course, it depends how fussy you are about pristine sound quality.
And you won't notice any difference unless you have a good set of phones or speakers connected to it.

Looking at my Focusrite, you will see two Monitor Outputs on the back to connect to your amp or powered speakers. And you see two heaphone outputs on the front, with individual volume knobs.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: recording for beginners
« Last post by chris23 on May 15, 2016, 10:48:37 AM »
Thanks for the info. Would something like this also be helpful for listening to music from a PC vs. exclusively recording?
Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by ffcal on May 15, 2016, 08:34:01 AM »
For those who may not be familiar with drone on's parting shot, here it is:

"I don't think of any of this as "now we're even." .And what apology?  Nobody owes me an apology.  Again, can't a guy make a simple joke here?  Without people saying how dare you joke with a respected artist?   What do you mean "You're no saint"?  Now you're hurling insults and turning this personal?  I sense some latent hostility left over from 15 years ago, which you alluded to when you dredged up my old forum moniker "Orion32.". And you did that because I simply stated you hadn't read the posts carefully about the Planetary Unfolding CD topic.  Very sad.  I think you take yourself far too seriously and get pushed out of shape if anyone challenges you in the very slightest degree.  How about I just say you're an arrogant know it all who probably got picked on in school and beat up for being a little wussy smart ass?  You wanna get personal, you got it Forrest.  I've played nice with you here for awhile now and I THOUGHT the past was the past, but I see you haven't changed.  To the others who jumped on me like sharks over my joke, you're no better than Forrest.  Especially you Tomas Weiss.  Look how I defended you and stood in your corner when you and your label were being attacked on this forum.  And then you join the wolf pack and show your true colors.  Actually you are the master here of insulting people and inciting dischord.  Why are you even still on this forum?  Nobody likes you.  While I'm at it, Hypnos is a fucking joke now.  You put out one CD a year that nobody buys.  You spend all your time emailing everyone once a week to sell old CDs for $5 nobody wants.  And you cry you have no time to release new music?  Nobody here wants to say it .  Well I just did.  I hope the moderator has enough balls to leave this post for all to see, but he probably won't because he's a self righteous wussy like Fang.  Please just remove me, ban me the whole nine yards.  Don't waste your energy notifying me either.  They won't be read, only deleted.  So fuck off Forrest and the other assholes, they know who they are.  Hypnos sucks.  Please stop this charade of pretending to be an ambient label.  Good luck with your $5 sales and washed up label. Take me off all your lists and please ban me for life!  I won't fucking miss it one bit!!! 😝😝😂😱😎"

If this isn't a "burn your bridges" message, I don't know what is.  By not calling out drone on on his personal attacks, you become enablers.
Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: recording for beginners
« Last post by APK on May 15, 2016, 08:12:42 AM »
Chris. Yes it is essentially a nice sound card, which is an analog to digital converter, and vice versa. Considerably better than the default one in the computer itself. The more you pay the better the converters and the more (and varied) ins and outs and other features it has. And yes, these days it is a separate box that connects to the computer by USB (Windows) or a Mac equivalent.

Even relatively inexpensive audio interfaces are damn good these days ... compared to 15 years ago.

Here is a neat Focusrite box that I currently use

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: recording for beginners
« Last post by chris23 on May 15, 2016, 06:48:55 AM »
May I chime in with a noob question, Julio?  ;D

Can you say a bit more about the link between the mic or line-in and the computer? I've read that one wouldn't want to simply plug a device straight into the computer without what you called the "audio interface." What exactly is that? Is that akin to a nice sound card? Is it a separate piece of equipment? Is an "analog to digital converter" something that doesn't natively exist in most computers?

Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by chris23 on May 15, 2016, 06:30:33 AM »
I miss done on's contributions; I'm eager to learn more about what he's listening to these days.

Some recent spins:

Steve Roach and Robert Logan - Second Nature
I absolutely adore this album; it has been on repeat around here on many occasions since its release. I noticed that Ekstasis thought the quality of the recording wasn't as good as it could have been. But I don't have the technical ears that he has to evaluate it in that way. What I really appreciate about this album is the mood or atmosphere. It is dark and mysterious and fills the room like an aural cloud. This will be a favorite for 2016.

Ishq - Nutopia and Uvanayatu
The two newest Hillier releases on Virtual World. In some respects, Nutopia distills the essence of the experimental blend of Hillier's Ishq soundscapes and his futuristic, sci-fi visions. There are some really nice tracks on here. The album doesn't really flow well, but that is part of what makes it interesting too: there is never a dull moment, and it works best with headphones. Uvanayatu is the latest in his efforts to create tribal otherworld soundscapes. This is a pretty remarkable album if you're into that style (it isn't the typical sound one might expect from Hillier). It takes some of the themes explored in Flowering Mountain Earth and, more recently, in his Omni vu Deity projects, and pushes them to the extreme. Lots of rhythm and rich, immersive layers of sound. Worth a spin, although I realize it won't be a keeper for most.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: recording for beginners
« Last post by Julio Di Benedetto on May 15, 2016, 05:59:19 AM »
Hi Spunknik,

Its quite simply yet can seem complexed.  Heres the most common signal chain used to record music:

Instrument - Microphone (if needed) - audio interface which is the bridge between the outside world and your computer and contains mic pre amps, instrument inserts, analog to digital converters - computer - digital audio workstation, such as Live, Logic or Pro tools, which is like a recording studio inside your computer.  This is the recording signal chain...heres the playback signal chain once you have actually got music recorded into the computer.

Digital audio workstation - computer - audio interface where the digital signal is converted back to audio - studio monitors / headphones to hear your creation.

The audio interface as a bridge between the analog world and the digital one inside the computer is very important, the computer you use is not so important just that the operating system specs are able to communicate with your audio interface.

There is just so much info out there in the www......with lots of helpful videos.

Lastly consider your budget.....entry into the recording world is very affordable but its important to have an idea of the necessary equipment that you need and what you dont need....this usually requires experience but as I said there are plenty of places out there to help with these specifics and naturally encourage you to purchase from them ;)

Good luck....its an amazing journey!
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