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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: That Audiophile thing again
« Last post by Seren on August 18, 2015, 01:18:47 PM »

I remember being thrilled to hear the Echoplex tape hiss on "side 2" of Phaedra when I first heard it on CD.  :)

I had a similar experience when I could hear cello players breathing as they played on CDs - often the timing fits the playing in some way or other. for me it added to the music rather than distracted  - though if they were snuffling with a cold and sneezing that would not be nice.
 
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: That Audiophile thing again
« Last post by Scott M2 on August 18, 2015, 01:06:05 PM »
Now on the subject of audiophilia...yes it gets crazy. Many of these guys have playback systems better than the gear used to originally record the music.

Yep, so often people with very expensive gear are looking for qualities and subtleties in recordings that are simply not there.

I remember being thrilled to hear the Echoplex tape hiss on "side 2" of Phaedra when I first heard it on CD.  :)
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DiN48 - Parallel Worlds & Self Oscillate - World Adapter



Ingo Zobel (Self Oscillate) and Bakis Sirros (Parallel Worlds) first started collaborating via the internet in 2004. Their first album, “Current Flow”, under the project name “Interconnected”, was released in 2010 on the Belgian VU-US label. Following this a vinyl EP of ambient tracks called “Mechanic Environments” was released in 2013 on the Dohkonul record label.

For “World Adapter”, their second full collaborative album, Ingo and Bakis are using their more widely known aliases of Self Oscillate and Parallel Worlds respectively. Four years in the making this album is redolent with the sounds and textures of modular analogue synthesisers which both musicians are well known for employing in their music. Ingo uses a large Doepfer / Eurorack system whereas Bakis creates his complex sonic textures with Doepfer, Serge and Buchla systems as employed on his previous DiN releases (Obsessive Surrealism (DiN26), Shade (DiN32), Exit Strategy with Ian Boddy (DiN37) and Morphogenic with Dave Bessell (DiN41)).

Once their modular improvisations are recorded they are micro-edited in Ableton Live to form the ten tracks that make up “World Adapter”. On the track “Legend Silence” they collaborate with the Polish singer/composer India Czajkowska whose ethereal voice adds a distinctive flavour to this composition. The album has an IDM flavour, full of complex modulations and intricate rhythms. The duo then hang beguiling, simple melodies around these structures to create another intriguing quality release from the DiN label.


Machines used:

Doepfer, Euro, Serge, Buchla, MOTM, Moon, Blacet, Metalbox, RS-Integrator, Technosaurus & Synthesizers.com modulars.
Oberheim Xpander & OB-Mx.
Korg PE1000, MS20, Mono/Poly & Z1.
Clavia Nord Modular, Nordrack2 & Nordrack3.
Ableton Live & NI Reaktor software.
Roland System-100, Waldorf Microwave and various other string machines, analogue keyboards, tape echoes, reverbs, CV modifiers and generators.
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: That Audiophile thing again
« Last post by APK on August 18, 2015, 06:52:12 AM »
Now on the subject of audiophilia...yes it gets crazy. Many of these guys have playback systems better than the gear used to originally record the music.

Yep, so often people with very expensive gear are looking for qualities and subtleties in recordings that are simply not there.
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach - Bloodmoon Rising
« Last post by Altus on August 18, 2015, 06:25:39 AM »
Yup, pre-ordered it last night. Looking forward to delving deep into this beast.  ;D
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: That Audiophile thing again
« Last post by petekelly on August 18, 2015, 02:36:59 AM »
Good points, Paul.

Yes, my example doesn't hold up for recorded ambient perhaps, but I'd still say if an unmatched aural experience is of concern (as opposed to fidelity), it's still applicable.

I have no love for vinyl, I've heard far too many 'quiet musics' ruined by static, in the pre-CD / digital era.
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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by ffcal on August 17, 2015, 10:35:03 PM »
Zoviet France - Just An Illusion (a great tribal ambient release I wish I had picked up sooner)

Forrest
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: That Audiophile thing again
« Last post by Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on August 17, 2015, 10:08:19 PM »
I understand the guy in the original article's point, and yes Audiophiles are an obsessive bunch, but then so are ambient fans, jazz fans, goth fans...basically anything we claim as "ours".

Thing is, it is OK to be an expert at something. Its ok to know more about jazz than someone else and be an expert. Its ok to know more about and appreciate ambient music than someone else. Its ok to devote your time and money to the best sound playback in the universe and train your ear to hear detail and nuance that others do not, the same can be said for a somallie (pretty sure I spelled that wrong...you know professional wine guys), its ok to be a foodie.

Here is the thing, the balance is A: Don't be a snobby jerk about it, but B: if you are not one of the above, don't get defensive when someone knows more about something than you do, remember a persons opinion is never  more valid than true study and expertise. This second part is a real problem in the world of the internet of instant opinions. Its almost an anti-snobbery, snobbery.  :D

Now on the subject of audiophilia...yes it gets crazy. Many of these guys have playback systems better than the gear used to originally record the music.
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Just bumping this back to the top for fans of Ambient'sh ECM style Jazz. Our album is now available on Apple Music if you have that service and want to check it out.

See post number one for more details on the album.

Paul
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: That Audiophile thing again
« Last post by LNerell on August 17, 2015, 03:08:04 PM »
In your opinion what would you consider is the best format to hear recorded sound?

Nothing analog or on vinyl, those formats reached their peak of what can be gotten out of them decades ago. It would have to be something digital, at this point probably 192k 24 bits, but to me the bits are more import so the more bits the better so even 32 bits would be better. Maybe DSD is where it's at, but I haven't had the chance to listen to anything done in that format since I don't have a SACD player, and its really hard to work with native files right now. We are closer to the beginning of what digital can offer, about where analog was in the 1950s.
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