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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Did Projekt ever press its releases on CDR's???
« Last post by jkn on October 16, 2014, 06:49:48 AM »
APK knows more on this than I do... and his description was perfect and more detailed than I could do.  I can usually tell by the burn lines and often by what's etched into the center plastic part of the disc.  Usually CD's have info on plant and CDR's have a much different looking bit of info there.
Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Did Projekt ever press its releases on CDR's???
« Last post by APK on October 16, 2014, 05:44:29 AM »
I believe that most of the places that you go to for CDs don't actually press them themselves but send them to a pressing plant (of which there are far far less), so they are like sub-contractors. And I'm not sure the pressing plant is into doing CDR runs. Though they probably do silk-screening. The problem with assuming a CDR run is high quality is that all the places I've tried (that also offer pressed runs) will offer various makes of disk and various printing methods for the CDR, so there is no set standard like you find with a pressing. I think they pretty much burn the disks in an automated rack of burners that does the same as your home system does when it burns. I think what people call a pro CDR is simply one that has been silk screened and so looks like a pressed disk. So more to do with the look/graphics than the music.

For me a Pro CDR is one that is manufactured by the same cd plant you would use to make a pressed CD.  One would hope that the process would be of the highest quality and control and that the same standards apply as those for pressed CD's.  This is my interpretation. 
Thanks, Anthony. That was a great description.
Perfect description.  I think some of the black ones are pressed, or the silver may have been sprayed black.  The reissue of Kiss Destroyer was like this. 
Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Did Projekt ever press its releases on CDR's???
« Last post by APK on October 15, 2014, 04:31:11 PM »
Not sure there is any such thing as a "pro-CDR".
All CDRs are burned. You can have blank CDR disks screen printed if you want, just like pressed disks, then burn them. This is why it looks just like a pressed CD on the top side. But a CDR will have a different underside. You can buy CDRs that are silver on the underside and they therefore look just like pressed disks, but how you can tell it is a CDR is that when you burn data onto a CDR there is a noticeable ring (or color change) where the burning stops (at the end of the music). You will see it if you look closely in good light.

At DataObscura I use only Taiyo Yuden CDR disks. These are reported to be the best. They use a dye in their manufacture which makes the under surface look slightly green or blue. This color also lets you know it is CDR. I could use silver disks, but they are simply not as long lasting or trustworthy as the dyed ones.

All pressed CDs, as far as I know, are silver underneath and have no burn line on them ... because they are pressed rather than burned.
So I explained the tell tale signs of CD vs CDR to him... he changed the listing to say pro-cdr.  :-) 

What are the tell tale signs? I can clearly tell the difference between a CD-R style data disc that I would buy at the store and a pressed CD. The DataObscura CDRs and other discs that forum members sell (e.g., El Culto) are also clearly distinct from other discs. But I'm not sure how to tell the difference between the pro-CDRs and regular CDs.
Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by thirdsystem on October 15, 2014, 11:17:07 AM »
The two new Carpe Sonum releases have arrived here....


Bubble - OI ..................Krystian Shek - Sometimes Not.

The Bubble is a really beautiful, dreamy, drifting ambient album. The Shek is a mixture of styles but mainly ambient and is very, very FAX like indeed. Both are superb and can be found on the Carpe Sonum bandcamp page.

The quality of the music and artwork coming from this label is fantastic.
Might be slightly off topic, but I thought it was interesting that Steve Roach decided to 'release' his 'Bloodmoon Rising' album on Bandcamp only. In terms of flexibility for an artist's output, nothing beats this release what you like for whatever price you like 'format' that is now an option.
Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« Last post by Julio Di Benedetto on October 15, 2014, 07:35:48 AM »
The Solaris is looking pretty ! I'd also like to know what you think of it.

Desk is certainly nice, though perhaps not as deep as I'd like ... I do tend to use some flat, desktop gear and controllers that need quite a bit of space.

And are those 3-way speakers really meant for near field monitoring? They look huge  :)

Hi Anthony....the Focals are large but I think the wide angle made the whole room look bigger than it is which is 12ft x 11ft.  I think Im at the limit in small room size for these monitors.  Setup in the correct triangulation as they are with sonic reflections dealt with by the hanging treatments the monitors are just right.  :)  The actual sweet spot is about 2 ft back from the desk.    They are designed for near to mid field.
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