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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by APK on September 12, 2014, 01:02:40 PM »
Hey, how about you guys just stay with the topic, talk about it rather than picking on each other all the time.

Sad to see another reasonable topic go down in flames.

And Fabric, I may be a friend of Tomas (as I am of many people here) but I'm not biased when it comes to you guys getting into personal mud-slinging.

Cool it.
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by Ekstasis on September 12, 2014, 11:51:54 AM »
@Pete: Im really sorry that the usual suspects once more destroy a thread because they cant cope with an opinion Ive shared! (but OK we know this already)

Quote from: Ekstasis
 

...music which is essence is produced by the gear itself




I have read a lot of opinions in my life, but that is definitely one for my top 3!

You need to read again, In your hurry you did maybe miss that the point was made towards "electronic music"  and abstract sound worlds to be exakt, and not more "melody oriented" music where music is produced more by humans the electronic equipment. So what are you are saying here in "electronic" music the music is not created by electronic equipment ? I had no idea you can create electronic music without electricity or electronic equipment.. maybe I have missed something ?
In ambient music the reverb processor is what is creating a lot of the essence, I should not need to really tell you such fundamental things.
But I know for sure that with your ableton live and your magic toolbox you can create any reverb processors sound with one click no reason for gear.
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by Cosmic Fabric on September 12, 2014, 11:47:38 AM »
Yeah APK is a friend of Tomas, so my view of this forum changed after noticing that, it's a lost cause.

Yeah I changed my nickname name so what? Are you from the nickname police?
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by El culto on September 12, 2014, 11:36:43 AM »
@Pete: Im really sorry that the usual suspects once more destroy a thread because they cant cope with an opinion Ive shared! (but OK we know this already)

Quote from: Ekstasis
 

...music which is essence is produced by the gear itself


I have read a lot of opinions in my life, but that is definitely one for my top 3!

Quote from: Ekstasis
 
Tomas opinion is that all gear sound the same , all EQs sound the same, all effects and compressors sound the same, gear does not matter in the hands of a true "master"  like thoma$ cause whetever gear he want to replicate he just need to open a window in his ableton live.  Respect goes both ways around,  I respect other artits gear, whatever you are satisfied with but there is really no need to piss on other peoples gear, and tell people that you have wasted money to buy good gear, in is childish and just a sign of jealously if not..

It really seems, from your past actings on Hypnos you still havent learned to communicate in an adult way.

:: Please quote me saying all EQs sound the same.TIP: dont waste your time for a search, you wont find something  ;D
:: No one here have told people to waste money for good gear.once more please quote someone!

Quote from: Ekstasis
but again if there was a way to hide thoma$ posts from this forum it would have at a totally different vibe, his arrogant macho style, laughing in people faces,  totally humiliating people but in an non-direct way to avoid himself to get banned

Look, the truth is, Im paying 500$ per month to each moderator not to get banned! (luckily one mod Im working in a collab, gives me 20% discount) if you had to pay this amount each month for posts like this I believe you would pay more attention to your words.

BTW: As you and the other "changing-the-name-member" share a very similar vision about music/gear, i can see a huge potential for a collaboration!
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by petekelly on September 12, 2014, 11:35:16 AM »
I'm merely curious to see Cosmic's artwork that's all, of course it doesn't validate his opinions one way or another.
No, I don't read music - see, I'm mortal too.

Back to the omni-present gear talk, I don't crave high-end gear at all, I'd much rather have a dedicated studio to work in, by a long way.
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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by Ekstasis on September 12, 2014, 11:05:19 AM »
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by Ekstasis on September 12, 2014, 10:53:51 AM »
Okay, Mister Fabric (or whatever your name is this week)

I see that you are very opinionated and very keen to tell people all about your opinions.
I'II be blunt, from what I've seen of your opinions on ambient music, I'm not interested in them.

You've released nothing and yet you preach to people who have and your fixation with gear is really
tiresome. Of course I know gear is important, but to a much lesser degree than you think, you have to
learn technique and practices, which are transferable whatever gear you use. I can play any half
decent guitar, it doesn't have to be a Les Paul Black Beauty. 

I am however interested to hear that you are a graphic artist, care to post a link to your work ?

Also, re-read the original post and don't resort to swearing, we're grown-ups here.

I have seen some work from cosmic fabric art, and there is no doubt about it, his skill is very professional he have a real talent for sure..I was impressed.. (does his opinion hold more weight more now ? *sigh*)
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by Ekstasis on September 12, 2014, 10:51:52 AM »
It's very little to do with equipment, studios or whatever - it's the desire for self expression, that is paramount.

Man, why don't you mix then with some desktop pc speakers and the built in soundcard in your pc?

It has to do with the quality of the gear too
, or you might have trouble delivering the best sound to your public. That's why pro gear exists so you have access to tools way above the average consumer equipment. For me creativity is something spontaneous and accessible, that's why I love a lot of knobs and keys in front of me.

Yeah Kitaro made amazing tracks and he created polyphony by painfully recording over and over again to tape his mono synths. But do you want to go again to those times, do you want the technical part to be 98% and the rest the creative part?

I'm a Computer graphics artist, and a 1500 euros monitor is not enough to see if all my colors are correct, I still have to check my work in 3 or 4 monitors to make an average. And I'm not talking about particular colors, but a general feeling that is lost just by viewing your work in another screen. If your 150 euros monitor shows black as gray, that simple detail affects all the colors.

If my graphics card has very little VRAM I can't work with 4k textures and I have to work in little parts losing the work as a whole.

If all my work depends on a 150 euros TFT monitor I would be fucked, plain and simple, no matter how creative I am.

My answer to this thread is simple, deep inside you want all that pro gear, but because some of you can't make a living based in your unsuccessful work, you dig these quotes from famous people.

The conclusion is whatever gear you are using will produce a certain output, this output is what your senses are working with which itself will affect your artistic decisions in an conscious or non-concious way.,  I think it is mostly people with more budget oriented gear that have a very strong need for defence and to point out that high end end gear will not affect your artistic decisions or quality, for me the gear has an symbiotic relationship with the artist, what ever gear we are using will affect our senses and artistic decisions, depending on artistic context.. in some other music style the real focus is more about song writing and melody rather the creating abstract sound worlds which mostly is the musical context which is being discussed here. I think the statements from the "budget" camp and that the gear is not symbiosis with the artist and the expression is absurd, it feels more like an excuse to not buy better gear,  but whatever makes the work done and you have 100% satisfaction there is really no need for more expensive gear.. you as the artists yourself has to make these decision what is important for you. 

I think what cosmic fabcric is saying is all reasonable, and especially when we are talking about abstract soundworlds "music" like this, music  which is essence is produced by the gear itself, certain color of certain gear could therefor give a certain "soul" which can't really be recrated with another gear..some gear have such unique sound signature that there is really no shortcuts around it, you can get close though..it all depends on how close to "perfection" you want to become.

Tomas opinion is that all gear sound the same , all EQs sound the same, all effects and compressors sound the same, gear does not matter in the hands of a true "master"  like thoma$ cause whetever gear he want to replicate he just need to open a window in his ableton live.  Respect goes both ways around,  I respect other artits gear, whatever you are satisfied with but there is really no need to piss on other peoples gear, and tell people that you have wasted money to buy good gear, in is childish and just a sign of jealously if not..

As an artist it is probably not a good idea to visit this forum, I can't really say it is an inspiring environment, when there is people like thoma$ who are going to make fun of people who have better gear then himself, it is just not an inspiring envoirment to be in really, sometimes I wonder what I am doing here really ?  but again if there was a way to hide thoma$ posts from this forum it would have at a totally different vibe, his arrogant macho style, laughing in people faces,  totally humiliating people but in an non-direct way to avoid himself to get banned, I wish he had to balls to really say his personal attacks in a more direct and non cryptic way, , but to me either way is as worse.. but if he did he would just get warning from the mods just like cosmic fabcric.. but as a artist I really wonder why I should be here, this non respect for other peoples gear and decision is not acceptable to me.. and people get ridiculed for buying professional equipment, but if you have not released and album you are not allowed to have good equipment since only established are allowed to own expensive equipment but not "upcoming" artists in there beginning of the career, the truth to be told here is as a new upcoming artists, it is harder to get your voice heard in this ocean of already existing music it was easier before, now new and upcoming artists have to wait a lot longer to release music if you want something that will take a certain genre further.

Also this talk "you have not released anything so there for your opinion" is worthless.. it is not really an inspiring environment for an upcoming artist to meet such comments,  even if you have not released an album you might have tons of years of experience within creating sounds and music.
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by Cosmic Fabric on September 12, 2014, 10:48:33 AM »
Funny you created the gear offtopic....

I clearly commented a gear quote.
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: On Inspiration - Chuck Close quote
« Last post by El culto on September 12, 2014, 10:40:35 AM »
Quote from: petekelly
Okay, Mister Fabric (or whatever your name is this week)

 ;D

Quote from: Seren
I think you've missed the point of the original post....

Reading obviously can be an art itself.
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