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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Last post by Cosmic Fabric on August 16, 2014, 02:19:08 PM »

well there is different religions there is people who believe in external/physical gear, but there is also another religion and this unlimited belief in this "magic box" ,  and with this "magic box" you can basically create anything you can imagine , it is basically your own imagination that set the limit of what this "magic box" can do.
 



That and cracked plugins, it's so easy to recommend software...........
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Last post by Ekstasis on August 16, 2014, 02:12:38 PM »
well there is different religions there is people who believe in external/physical gear, but there is also another religion and this unlimited belief in this "magic box" ,  and with this "magic box" you can basically create anything you can imagine , it is basically your own imagination that set the limit of what this "magic box" can do.  I was a believer of this religion before, since I thought external gear was pretty much obsolete, also the progression was so fast in the Computer world.   I think there is a big majority of people who live in this illusion all you need is really this magic box to realize your imagination.. Well I am hear to tell you, that no the Magic box AKA PC/MAC can't create anything you imagine, there is "things"  and musical languages and colours that this magic box can't really replicate, there for the need for external gear does still exist.  in theory the this "magic box" should be able to create anything, but this is in a future probably beyond our time (considering how slow Intel is progressing these days).

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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Last post by Cosmic Fabric on August 16, 2014, 01:44:58 PM »
'Ekstasis' said:
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if it is any genre that gear MATTER it is ambient, since all it is about is ear candy,

Somewhat off-topic from the 'debate', but I felt I had to comment on this one.
Where do you think composition comes into play ?, same for structure and dynamics in a track ? If it was all about beautiful sounding patches and exquisite reverberations, why bother trying to do anything more than play some pretty chords ? 
Any old-timers here remember 'The Universe' patch on the Korg M1 ? All you had to do was noodle around in a pentatonic minor scale and everything sounded great - but it also sounded the same as anyone else doing the same thing...

Speaking of old-timers (like myself, increasingly), it's worth bearing in mind that they may have considerable years of being musicians under their belts and they may not all be deaf either :)

There's a lot more to it than mere 'ear candy' in my view. In order to create full finished tracks is a step beyond that requires considerably more in terms of application and attention to detail.

Sure, but how can you do a warm Juno-60 pad without a Juno-60? A Korg Z1 DSP FX sounds without a Z1? Oberheim sounds, that everyone wants to copy from Steve Roach?

These tools have to be present in the first place to composition and all the beautiful things that happen next. So yeah you need these ear candy devices. Unless you are using some obscure methods and I'm not talking about softsynths :) which is fine by me, but I don't mind sounding like everyone else, originality is a joke these days.

Just check Steve Roach studio or Robert Rich's and they don't have an empty studio, correct?
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Last post by El culto on August 16, 2014, 01:43:04 PM »
I was under the impression, that it was high frequency loss that came with age / over-exposure to loud sound over time.

Not just an impression only but the truth  :)
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Last post by El culto on August 16, 2014, 01:39:11 PM »
On a side note:

Iīve noticed the most complains about technical issues of other music is coming from members clearly being newbie (with no references at all in music business). Of course, having enough money in today allows anyone to own the "right and respected gear" but unfortunately it needs a bit more than just owning or talking theoretical about it  ;D

Well put Tomas.....Im open to all sorts of opinions, hopefully they are humble especially online where you need to back off a fair bit compared to normal one on one dialogue. 

Gear means absolutely nothing when in the hands of a master.   Shall I bring up the master Samurai story with and inferior Katana sword in his hand and the poorly trainer opponent standing before him.  The sword does not matter. The picture is clear.

Im somewhat embarrassed that I have become involved in this silly bass debate, though it is good to see ambient musicians and ambient music lovers (thats pretty sexy) coming together in a single though diverse thread.

Itīs not really a serious debate of some members here as you can see in the responses above. On the other hand, I really didnīt expect something different by this guys. They mainly enjoy and want to debate about "high-end" and whatever "mystical 7% enhancement in sound"…hey, we are talking here about Ambient music which mostly is based on an embedded and often blurred bed of sounds and tones  ;D I could understand it if we would talk here about music where separation and authentic issues are very critical (like music including electronic + classical instrumentations for instance like Johan Johansson). All those funny responses above reminds me very much of many posts @ Gearslutz  ;D

Most surprising, some are barking so quickly/loud in response as if there is a serious need to defense themselves!

On Topic: Iīve listened to the the track with my Main Speakers + Subwoofer and for me there arenīt any issue with the low end at all. The low end definitely is pushed a tiny bit in volume but nothing out of balance or sounding wrong.

Cheers,
Tomas
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Last post by petekelly on August 16, 2014, 01:11:50 PM »
'Ekstasis' said:
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if it is any genre that gear MATTER it is ambient, since all it is about is ear candy,

Somewhat off-topic from the 'debate', but I felt I had to comment on this one.
Where do you think composition comes into play ?, same for structure and dynamics in a track ? If it was all about beautiful sounding patches and exquisite reverberations, why bother trying to do anything more than play some pretty chords ? 
Any old-timers here remember 'The Universe' patch on the Korg M1 ? All you had to do was noodle around in a pentatonic minor scale and everything sounded great - but it also sounded the same as anyone else doing the same thing...

Speaking of old-timers (like myself, increasingly), it's worth bearing in mind that they may have considerable years of being musicians under their belts and they may not all be deaf either :)

There's a lot more to it than mere 'ear candy' in my view. In order to create full finished tracks is a step beyond that requires considerably more in terms of application and attention to detail.


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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Aphex Twin
« Last post by Antdude on August 16, 2014, 12:14:43 PM »
It would be nice to hear some new material from Mr. Richard James. I hadn't realized how long it's been since his last release, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

I suppose it's a sign of the times now that Aphex Twin now shows up as the background music in many commercials these days. "Shiny Metal Rods" as the backdrop of an insurance ad is an evolution of some sort.  :)
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Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Seren Ffordd Thread
« Last post by Seren on August 16, 2014, 10:12:26 AM »
That sounds an interesting read right enough.

I have recently bought 3 books ; The Picts A History, Before Scotland, Archaeology and Early History of Angus. Currently researching this era of the start of civilisation  ;) Loads of ancient Pictish stones, forts etc round about my area.

Have some musical ideas kicking about on this theme also if I ever get my finger out and get back into recording again.

Looking forward to hearing your new release.

You might enjoy listening to 'Lament of a Forgotten God' on my bandcamp page too - I think there are images of the cover somewhere back in this thread...
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Aphex Twin
« Last post by Altus on August 16, 2014, 09:58:52 AM »
I came across this article today about what sounds like an Aphex Twin publicity stunt.
http://pitchfork.com/news/56339-an-aphex-twin-is-blimp-flying-over-london/

I'm cautiously optimistic for something like Drukqs. Any Aphex Twin fans here?
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