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I think a lot of it depends on what the artist is wanting to express, also on the type of artist, or the subgenre.

Shorten Mathias Grassow's drone works down to under 5 minutes and they probably would lose the power of the gradual build up and enveloping of your mind/ earspace.  Same goes with some of the sequencer pieces from Tangerine Dream or Steve Roach- they would lose the effect if shortened up to the extreme.

On the other hand, there are some beautiful short pieces as well as albums composed of unforgettable trakcs that are mostly under the 10 minute mark.  Brian Eno's On Land, Budd and Eno's The Pearl, and endless other examples where had the one track extended indefinitely, there wouldn't have been the opportunity to paint a "grander picture", given fewer elements to express.

I have more to say on this, but alas, time is not on my side at the moment... ;)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: The Modular Synthesizer Thread
« Last post by Julio Di Benedetto on June 28, 2016, 04:29:06 PM »
What you may ask does an Akai APC 40 Mk2 Ableton controller have to do with modulars...well nothing, but for me it does because each on of those colored soft buttons represents a patch or part of a patch.

I saw Morton Subotnik talking on a video about how he uses Ableton live and a few controllers for his live performance.  What this meant was that he could have a small Buchla system and use Ableton to record, process and send back out into the live system while performing.... at least thats my understanding of it.  This idea appealed to me to expand the system without adding more modules and use the daw in a live and spontaneous manner. This has completely opened up Live for me in very new way.

I dont use the APC with the computer, that is, it's connected but located as part of the modular system.  As a patch evolves its sections are recorded into Live.  The patch is dismantled and a new one created as a continuation or the first patch. Then this patch is recorded and spread across the controller.  This patch is taken down and a see the pattern.  I have 10 channels coming out of the system so technically I can have 10 separate events (not voices) happening simultaneously.

I had wanted to only produce/perform music from the modular with just the modular and its limitations and keep it "alive" and spontaneous as was expressed with the "Modular Musings" thread, so this maybe a compromise if one could call it that but Im hoping the music will be that much more.

Good music is good music - whether short or long.

I do like long tracks that I can drift off with and into - but I enjoy listening to short tracks as well.

There is a pressure of time with everything that needs to be done so I don't get to listen to whole albums as much as I'd like to.
Now Playing / Re: FILE://Access/Rip/Play
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Robert Rich - Filaments
« Last post by DeepR on June 24, 2016, 01:40:35 PM »
Not a big fan of this album either. It's nice but just not very convincing and I don't like the wailing guitar. Some of the sequences are nice though and I do love the last track!

I agree Yearning is one of his best, along with Trances/Drones, Numena, Soma, Stalker, Fissures.

Yes, it is an interesting topic.

Personally, I don't see anything being set in stone for duration, listeners may prefer a longer piece if they want to fall asleep to it or use it for meditation / ritual use etc. As an example, 'Drone ambient' tends to be long-form. I've done both shorter and longer 'formats', it's whatever seems appropriate for a particular track, in my view.
Thats an interesting question, Julio.

Both, long and short tracks can be fascinating evolving. I wrote short pieces of one minute length and they were perfect. I meditated one hour on my synthesizer and it was perfect.
The listening experience somehow reflects - in best case - the creation process. And although attention underlies alterations, this won't correlate with music itself.
Because music is timeless, it freezes us in the moment like in a dream (one minute, one hour, timeless).

PS: One short story - about my album "Sparkles". As the title says, the music on this album was intended to reflect the "Sparks".
"Sparks" are ultra-short light moments, and therefore the pieces also evolved very short. But originally I wrote 4 multi layered tracks for the album that I afterwards splitted into 10 single tracks.
I simply felt that the simple tracks reflect - within all unperfectness - a perfectness and deepness that they would have not reached with the multi layering.
personally I have always enjoyed long tracks that develop over time, how much time is a matter of preference.  A cd will give more or less 72 minutes of time to use.....downloads presumably infinite.

recently a good deal of my listening has been rather short track a way snapshots, not fully developed or refined but more here it is now....this is not a criticism or a slight on musical quality and production, on the contrary it is all superb. perhaps when I say not fully developed Im referencing myself who enjoys taking the music I make and really working it outwards to see how far I can go.  early eno ambient for discussion sake has always been on the short

an album of snapshots can make up a unique whole...a deep immersion of limited change is another experience and maybe monotonus to some.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

perhaps this has more to do with our changing listening patterns and attention span as we (the world) is bombarded from without in our everyday life.

your thoughts are most welcome.
Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Jaja - Milky Way
« Last post by stargazer on June 21, 2016, 10:58:49 PM »
Hi Julio, thanks for the welcome and words about "Milky Way Part I - Under the stars".

I really enjoyed your modular musings. Sometimes it is simply good to start some new things.
Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Jaja - Milky Way
« Last post by Julio Di Benedetto on June 21, 2016, 02:46:06 PM »
Hi Jana,

I did not realize you and stargazer are the same....reading you recent posts here on the hypnos forum I sensed that stargazer was involved and very knowledgeable about ambient space music.  Now I understand.  I have not come across you since rM. Good that you are here!

I have been listening to part one - under the beautifully quiet.  Looking forward to part 2 & 3

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