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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Did Projekt ever press its releases on CDR's???
« Last post by phobos on October 16, 2014, 11:47:57 AM »
I agree with APK, I don't think there is a "pro" CDr, but some are a better quality than others. If you are going to release on CDr then you should go for the highest quality. I myself use Taiyo Yuden with a white full face inkjet printable label. I burn the discs at 16X or less. I print them in a Canon inkjet printer, and this time printed all the booklets and tray cards on the same printer, would probably have been cheaper and less of a headache to outsource the booklets, but thats another story! ;D
Taiyo Yuden seem to be held in high regard by many, and to date I have not heard from anyone who have bought my albums that have had a problem playing them. We may only sell small numbers but in my opinion you still have to be as professional as possible with everything, as if you were a major record company, not just an individual independant artist, speaking for myself that is.
I would think Projekt would be absolutely sure about the CDr discs used were of a good quality, as they have a big reputation to uphold, plus Sam has offered to refund money if the CDr goes bad, so he must be pretty sure they won't.
Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Gear: Studio shots by Deb
« Last post by Crepuscule on October 16, 2014, 11:13:47 AM »
I say it again...You are not in the little gear category :)

You can buy a really nice car here in Europe with just those 2 synths.

Sure you don't have plenty of 500usd synths and I don't see the usual suspects, wavestation, jd-800, waldorfs etc.
What happened to the Juno-60? That was a huge loss IMO. A synth with great warmth.
Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Did Projekt ever press its releases on CDR's???
« Last post by APK on October 16, 2014, 11:01:19 AM »
One thing to remember with pressed albums is that a run of 300 is pretty much the same as paying for 500, which is only a little less that doing 1,000.  So you don't save much money at all doing a small pressed run. And that is just not economical for many ambient labels and individuals, given the low expected sales of often less than 200.

Of course, a pressed CD and a burned CD are still both CDs. But given the buyer's awareness and concern about what he/she is buying, I agree that sellers should mention what sort of CD it is they are offering. No point in surprising people.
So I'm guessing that Wollo release was so limited they put it on a cdr(?)

Yes, Chris, "Tundra" CDr EP by was released as a limited edition of 200 copies, now sold out. But for example one year ago Project released Stratosphere with Dirk Serries "In A Place Of Mutual Understanding" CD, edition of 200 copies, but this one was glassmastered. Anyway, I think artist like Erik W°llo doesn't deserve a CDr or pro CDr edition. To me, a really strange decision. But, okay, if the label economy somehow doesn't allow a glassmastered version, I accept even a pro CDr, don't have a problem with that, but I definitely want to be informed about it before pushing the pay button on paypal. I would order "Tundra" even if it would be advertised as a CDr, but at least big disappointment after receiving it would be avoided. To make it short, you simply don't expect anything like this from a label like Projekt. Unfortunately, lots of CDrs sold via Bandcamp are advertised as CDs, it's quite common these days. I think it's not fair to the customers who support their artists or labels.

Sam replied back and he says Terrace of Memories only sold 15 copies per year.  Therefore to keep it in print they ranoff 100 only cdrs.  They needed 300 for a pressed CD run.  This was done four years ago.  He also said Discmakers, who manufacture their CD's, has better quality cdrs than most.  He offered to refund my money if the disc ever goes bad, which was nice.  So I'm guessing that Wollo release was so limited they put it on a cdr(?)

I still think a large(r) label like Projekt should never put anything on a cdr though, no matter how good the quality or if they're "pro."

I used to use a company in Leeds who used either TY blanks or high quality Sony silver discs. The Sony ones were a very good media ( I was told) that looks very much almost like a pressed CD, but without some kind of barcode in the centre. Apparently the artwork printing and getting really good paper is more difficult and costly than burning the CDs.

On the subject of burning they swore by Plextor drives, I bought a Plextor Premium drive myself for one-off burns, though (sadly) I don't use the silver discs at all these days (though that may change).
Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Did Projekt ever press its releases on CDR's???
« Last post by Seren on October 16, 2014, 07:20:40 AM »
The Silver / Silver CDR's can look very similar to the pressed CD's - usually there is a lck of anything in the centre ring.

I've used them for a number of years, using simple thermal printing for just artist name and album title on them. I've not had any feedback of problems with either quality or longevity as yet.....

My understanding is that CDR's with sticky labels on them tend to degrade as the glue attacks the top layer. Which is why I don't use them.

I was also advised, hopefully accurately, to burn a CDR at half the maximum rate as this minimises risks of technical problems.
Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Did Projekt ever press its releases on CDR's???
« Last post by jkn on October 16, 2014, 06:49:48 AM »
APK knows more on this than I do... and his description was perfect and more detailed than I could do.  I can usually tell by the burn lines and often by what's etched into the center plastic part of the disc.  Usually CD's have info on plant and CDR's have a much different looking bit of info there.
Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Did Projekt ever press its releases on CDR's???
« Last post by APK on October 16, 2014, 05:44:29 AM »
I believe that most of the places that you go to for CDs don't actually press them themselves but send them to a pressing plant (of which there are far far less), so they are like sub-contractors. And I'm not sure the pressing plant is into doing CDR runs. Though they probably do silk-screening. The problem with assuming a CDR run is high quality is that all the places I've tried (that also offer pressed runs) will offer various makes of disk and various printing methods for the CDR, so there is no set standard like you find with a pressing. I think they pretty much burn the disks in an automated rack of burners that does the same as your home system does when it burns. I think what people call a pro CDR is simply one that has been silk screened and so looks like a pressed disk. So more to do with the look/graphics than the music.

For me a Pro CDR is one that is manufactured by the same cd plant you would use to make a pressed CD.  One would hope that the process would be of the highest quality and control and that the same standards apply as those for pressed CD's.  This is my interpretation. 
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