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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Last post by ffcal on May 13, 2015, 02:23:05 PM »
I apologize for all the times this forum became an unpleasant place to visit because of disruptive behavior. We'll definitely work to minimize that as much as we can.

I appreciate that, Mike.  This is one of the few forums I visit regularly because I like the people here and the generally civil and level-headed discussions.

Forrest
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Last post by mgriffin on May 13, 2015, 01:43:19 PM »
I don't claim to have handled this perfectly, as far as deciding when to ban someone, when to warn them, when to delete or edit posts. I can only say we (meaning myself and the admins & moderators as a group) have tried to be fair and impartial.


I apologize for all the times this forum became an unpleasant place to visit because of disruptive behavior. We'll definitely work to minimize that as much as we can.
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Last post by LNerell on May 13, 2015, 01:24:12 PM »
Glad that the troll was finally banned, way over due if you ask me.
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Last post by petekelly on May 13, 2015, 12:07:46 PM »
I should say that I don't take any pleasure from seeing anyone banned here, but in this case, it was warranted (in my view). You can only get away with so much for so long and when people start to retort to repeated unwarranted
personal attacks then they've crossed the line.

I almost regret my last response (which was pretty harsh), but if someone is prepared to dish it out, then they should be prepared to take it too...
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Ambient music and Mastering
« Last post by Ekstasis on May 13, 2015, 11:53:00 AM »

Using a set of monitors that complete each other is a good idea I agree.
I have heard "Avantone MixCubes" is a good choice for secondary monitor.
They are not ment to blow you away but if it sound goods on them they will translate good on most systems.

Also In general doing reserach on which monitors that does translate best is also a good
idea. Genelecs for instance they do not translate well to other sound system, while it sound good
on them it might sound dull and boring on other speakers.

using analysing tools is good to see problematic frequencies that you might not here.


Hey Extasis,

Yes the avantones seem a good choice for a ''second opinion'' regarding a mix..

I've read and discovered in person exactly the opposite regarding the Genelecs they translate superbly and sound good at the same time, especially the ones that use the ''SAM'' system that fix the room acoustics with a probe for calibration to the listeners position. Maybe your information is outdated? They are very, very serious about room acoustics and the way their systems integrate, a thing other companies don't care..And since I can't hire an expert in acoustic treatment to fix my rented house reflections, options are scarce don't you think?

http://www.genelec.com/news/latest-news/131-news-archive/year-2012/928-genelec-introduces-new-smart-active-monitor-sam-concept/

I know gearslutz bash Genelec and maybe it's where you got that info, but I've listened to some recent models and I was blown away...

For people with limitations regarding, little, or no room treatment, they look like the best option available, what is the purpose of buying a 4k monitors if your room is a shit and all you have is third party calibration options not tailored to your specific speakers?

I was going to chime in as well, but you beat me to it. Genelec are great speakers. They do have more of a modern studio monitor sound than some others, but actually they kind of invented/defined that sound. There is a reason why Genelec are some of the most ubiquitous speakers around. In fact most true profession high end rooms I have been in around the US use Genelecs.

Also I concur that Avantones are great 2nd or 3rd option mix checkers.

I have heard Genelecs and they sound very flat and bulky they sound anything but 3D.
My Trident HG3 is of course better but they have the wideness, the height and the depth.
I would define the charterer of the Genelecs  I have tried as "plastic".
I have not tried any of their more expensive speakers, but Genelec are most associated with there
mid range speakers.

There is a few major reason why Genelecs are popular.

1. Good Price to sound ratio. 
2. People buy them because of there popularity, they see they are in every project studio out there and for that reason I do not need
to do that reserach I just buy what every one else have and trust their collective "opinion".
3.  Genelecs did get popular a lot because of there included room calibration tools that was kind of unique at the time.
4. Also studios want to find the ultimate reference point,  and since every one use Genelec it is easier to find the reference point if using the speakers.  Just as every one did use the AKG 240  headphones series before.. studios tend to copy a lot of what other studios use...

Before I was building my studio and looking around for monitors  I had almost before done any research at all myself decided I should by genelec, i thought there must be a reason why they are so popular and why they are in every project and a lot of other studios.
After doing some research I did quickly find out there is a lot of better choices out there the Genelec.
The fact that they are so well known give them extra promotion and advertising also, I strongly think a lot of people choose genelec just because of pure lazyness really. So yeah I did never end up with the Genelecs luckily , I am very happy for that.
However I would not mind some Genelec monitors in future as a third monitor.

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Hypnos News and Announcements / Re: Hypnos releases for 2015 ?
« Last post by jkn on May 13, 2015, 11:46:02 AM »
nice to see Max joining Hypnos..   cool.
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Last post by mgriffin on May 13, 2015, 11:27:32 AM »
After discussion among the moderators, I've decided to ban Horizon1982 from the Hypnos Forum.


There have been too many examples over too long a time of bad behavior, warnings being ignored, abuse and insults being posted then deleted.
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Last post by mgriffin on May 13, 2015, 11:24:35 AM »
Yeah, I've had enough.


Warning after warning, constant personal attacks. The moderators spend 90% of our time dealing with just a few people.



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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Last post by ffcal on May 13, 2015, 11:22:42 AM »
I've studiously ignored all 'Horizon's' pointless retorts and he still has a go at me. In my view, he should have been
banned already, particularly for his pathetic, cowardly attack on Loren recently (which was subsequently deleted).

I agree.  These trolls, who seem bent on inviting conflict (every other word seems to be of the four-letter variety), should be banned outright for making personal attacks.  I've raised these issues before with the moderators.  And I'm dead serious about this.

Forrest
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Last post by jkn on May 13, 2015, 11:19:02 AM »
I removed the post that just annoyed the heck out of me - which was a direct personal attack on Pete from Horizon. 

Several others on here are borderline - mostly because of nudging on from Horizon.

Haven't we figured out by now that music is music and tools are tools and different people make music in different ways?   Many of my favorite musicians never had a class, don't read music, never played anything but a laptop, or plunk around until they get the right sound.

It's like the brilliant author who can't type... and types everything with 2 fingers.

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