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Quote from: Ekstasis

I think it is funny say  classical music has more complex audio information then in ambient music.
Ambient can be as complex as audibly possible.

I think you completely misunderstood something…I´m not talking about "complex" at all!

"When it come to classical music with a lot (!) of dynamics there is a reason for this higher bit/sample rate rate, but when when it comes to Ambient I don´t know any music in this genre using the full dynamic making it worth at all to for the additional headroom nor a higher sampling rate."

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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by drone on on October 24, 2014, 08:58:04 AM »
In case you weren't aware, today is NATIONAL VIDNA OBMANA DAY.  In celebration at work today:  Crossing the trail, twilight of perception, subterranean collective, surreal sanctuary, contemporary nocturne.  That's a lot of fujaras!

OBMANA for president!!
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24 bit is definitely no placebo effect.. It is always frustrating to have to down sample to 16 bit.. When you  hear such drastic difference.. But it does also matter what music..  But especially with ambient music I hear a difference..  If I buy an digital flac album I would easily choose the 24 bit if there was a choice.

Many blind tests regarding 16 vs 24 bit have proved that peopled can´t hear a difference. In any case, when it comes to CD anything has to go down to 16 bit anyway. To hear a difference especially (!) in ambient music is a huge myth for me. When it come to classical music with a lot (!) of dynamics there is a reason for this higher bit/sample rate rate, but when when it comes to Ambient I don´t know any music in this genre using the full dynamic making it worth at all to for the additional headroom nor a higher sampling rate.

Are people really be able to hear a difference between 192kbit and 320kbit mp3?   ;D

But OK, it´s usual that those believers feel better if they can say they feel have the tools or special gear (the price for the additional investment in those cases needs an explanation too) or rendering options. I´m pretty sure, if I would offer 2 unnamed files for a blind testing concerning this issue, those people would avoid to be part of that test.

Two unnamed files created to prove your point or two unnamed files to show there is a difference.  ?
Tests can be designed with different goals. 
I myself I hear a difference and I know a lot of other people to do,  you need sensitive equipment and ears and know what you are looking for.  In heavy high energy distortion  guitar I think the 16 bit have harsher edges to me. 

I think it is funny say  classical music has more complex audio information then in ambient music.
Ambient can be as complex as audibly possible. Classical music in general consider very lofi in comparison to modern music.  Adding max amounts of transients is usually the best way to find differences in 24 bit or 16 bit  or different sample rates.  On all my recordings in my signal chain I always use audio processors to maximize transients,  especially with ambient there is nothing worse then ambient where all transients are drown into reverb tails,  the transients bring out all details and making complex audio harmonics.  Yeah so the amount  of transient information is probably one thing that matter,  without the complex audio information it might be possible there is no difference in sonic experience in resolution or sample rates
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Looks like Im becoming a collector  :o ::) ;D,  that and I should eat my words.

Any other Story/ Rodelius recommendations....Inlandish?
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I really don't know what to make of this, on one hand 24 bit makes more sense to me than higher sampling rates. While there are a lot of myths around, some of these are also on the technical side. The 'boffins' can tend to follow a lot of accepted wisdom regarding how we hear, without challenging this.

Reminds me of something:

Once I´ve spend hours on a track to find the right EQ settings in den lower mid range and with each new listening i´ve found new bothering frequencies/resonances. When coming back from a short coffee break, to finally confirm my last editing, I realized that the EQ was all the time bypassed…...
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Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: 'Supernature' new 'single' release
« Last post by thirdsystem on October 24, 2014, 02:38:36 AM »
Liked that Pete. Diverse indeed, light to dark, through space and back through the dark to the light.

Checking out your bandcamp and spotify just now and looking forward to hearing your new work.
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Now Playing / Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Last post by thirdsystem on October 24, 2014, 02:17:47 AM »
Aye, Shades of Orion 1-3 , excellent. Probably 2 is my favourite, mainly due to its ambient abundance  ;).

Still a couple of recent things to check from this thread, however;

A Winged Victory For The Sullen   amazingly on spotify , stunning !!!
Hammock - Sleepover Series 2 also on spotify, just wonderful, will have to get this, cheers J for posting about it.
Ralph Vaughan Williams - Tallis Fantasia was aware of this composer but not sure if I had heard any music. Utterly gorgeous, just my kind of Classical and will research further.

Away to check out the HTDC and FSOL.

Cheers to all who posted the music  :)
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I really don't know what to make of this, on one hand 24 bit makes more sense to me than higher sampling rates. While there are a lot of myths around, some of these are also on the technical side. The 'boffins' can tend to follow a lot of accepted wisdom regarding how we hear, without challenging this.
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Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Missing in action--where are they now?
« Last post by Ekstasis on October 23, 2014, 11:40:31 PM »
I do not mind Klaus shulze releases but it his last album was very bad.. He have become lazy sounds like he is using only omnisphere presets now days.. But I follow the Berlin school genre.. But I think it is Mario schönwalder and Co that have most to offer to the Berlin school genre now.
The free system projekt i wish did release more was many years ago now.  Same with pollard.
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Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: Antelope announces 3 new upcoming products.
« Last post by Ekstasis on October 23, 2014, 11:36:02 PM »
I am really impressed by what Antelope are doing lately. I still think the overall most impressive piece in thier line right now is the zen studio. It's just a killer forward thinking complete package.

As such I can't wait to check out the new devices they announced at AES

Yes zen studio is impressive,  the only weak link is the monitor controller in that unit,  I wonder if it can be bypassed totally  to use an external unit?  Not done any research how their mic pres perform I guess it is the same pres we will find in mp32. But I guess in the league of solid state and transpercry they perform quite well.

Satori seem like a very good monitor controller,  if it had the same dual dac design as pure2 it has an advantage over the competing products for sure.  With the current price it does compete with avocet mkii. Dangerous source remain the best price value,  Antelope have been giving us a hint that a monitor controller to compete with dangerous source are in the works...






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