Started by APK, April 19, 2009, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Bill Binkelman on April 22, 2009, 06:07:59 AMStill at it, huh? ;)Well, if any one on this forum would like to dialogue off-line about this topic in a tangential way (or I can open a new topic), I am making a formal presentation at INATS (Intl New Age Trade Show) at the end of June with Suzanne Doucet, titled "How to Sell CDs in a Download Society." I'm starting to piece together my data and will also be contacting some folks via email asking if they want to participate in a survey monkey about sales of physical CDs versus digital, etc. My presentation will focus on what store owners (who make up the bulk of the audience) can do to compete with downloads, e.g. atmosphere, service, etc.Anyway, if this is of interest to any of you, I'd welcome your opinions, feedback, including your thoughts as a CONSUMER of music (e.g. what would entice you to go to a store to buy music), I'd love to have some of your time between now and the early part of June.Until then, carry on, chaps. This isn't the most entertaining reading in this topic (so many points repeated over and over) but I can't blame you all for your passion. At least you guys are worked up about something. :)
Quote from: Stellar Auditorium on April 22, 2009, 08:15:06 AMIs listening to some music that you're not going to end purchasing because you didn't find it good enough that much of a crime? It could be considered as a "spiritual crime" perhaps, but if some guy meets Steve Roach tommorow and tells to the man "Hey, I've downloaded most of your music and I was deeply affected by it, it changed the way I see music" do you think he'll be mad at him? I don't know, I can't speak for the man.
Quote from: Wayne Higgins on April 22, 2009, 09:15:58 AMI sometimes think that the only people who listen to ambient music make ambient music.
Quote from: Wayne Higgins on April 22, 2009, 09:15:58 AMBuying a used cd is like buying anything used. Should Ford get a share of the money made off the third sale of a 1978 Mustang?
QuoteSteve Roach is one of the very few people who create ambient music who sell so many cds albums and can survive on his music.
Quote from: SunDummy on April 22, 2009, 10:15:32 AMI think used CD's are in a grey area. If I spent $10 on a cd, then didn't like it, I should be able to resell it to someone else who may appreciate it. But what if I make a copy for myself, then resell it? A strange aspect of all this is the experience of hearing the music. It's like seeing a play; if it sucked, do I get my money back? I can't "resell" my experience - I saw the play, and can't "unsee" it. Isn't that part of my risk going into it? Places like Soleilmoon have a money-back guarantee - if you buy a disk, then don't like it, they'll give you a refund. But what if I like it, then get bored with it in two years? If I paid for the music, didn't I get two years of enjoyment out of it? Am I now entitled to sell the medium, because I'm bored with the content?Did I buy the medium, or the music?
Quote from: mgriffin on April 22, 2009, 10:16:35 AMOf course, ripping a CD to your iTunes library and then selling the CD used is no different from just pirating it in the first place, without ever having bought a copy.
Quote from: 9dragons on April 22, 2009, 11:34:32 AMQuote from: mgriffin on April 22, 2009, 10:16:35 AMOf course, ripping a CD to your iTunes library and then selling the CD used is no different from just pirating it in the first place, without ever having bought a copy.Mike, this statement doesn't quite make sense to me. A cd bought new is around $15, including tax/shipping, which brings us close to $20. When it's sold, a record store might give $1-$4, or do a trade in type of deal. A bit more money might be made on Ebay, but the point is that one will certainly not make the money back that was put into purchase. Now, if that cd is burned onto the computer before selling the hard copy, in my opinion that can't be equated with piracy. After all, the person did actually buy the album, thereby increasing album sales. If they sell it back, whether it is because they don't like it, or to recoup a bit of money, and also decide to burn it, I can see no wrong in that. I mentioned this whole nuance earlier in the thread, and I'm still not fully decided on whether it is "right" or not, but I am beginning to think it is pushing the limit of what is "right" to be afraid to burn an album before one decides to sell it, for whatever reason. As I mentioned before, when I sell a cd, I often burn it, just in case, but rarely ever listen to it again, and usually delete it, because it no longer feels real to me.
Quote from: Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) on April 22, 2009, 11:45:12 AMUnfortunately, it is true however. According to the law, the minute you sell a cd, you no longer have the rights to own said CD and it is actually illegal to burn it to your library and sell it. Again, it does not matter what you think or feel is right, the law is the law.PV
Quote from: Stellar Auditorium on April 22, 2009, 12:37:20 PMIn our case, we all know we're "breaking" the law by illigally downloading music, but when someone ends up buying it shortly thereafter, how is any damage done?
QuoteWould it REALLY cause any problem to anyone if we download an album that is our of print and can't be found anywhere else, rip a cd that we have bought from the artist (and then sold for an equal price),
Quoteor download an album that we have already ordered from the artist as a preview (I think that was the case with Immersion, if I'm not mistaken?) I'd like an honest response concerning this...