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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2008, 11:53:07 AM »
I agree that very long releases have their place too, but I also think that the 74 (and then 80) minute limit of the CD medium made people go a little crazy with compulsively filling up the whole duration of every audio CD released.  This has especially been a problem in the ambient community, and I've been guilty of it too.

As others have said here, I sometimes find myself enjoying a more concise and focused recording, and thinking it would be diminished if the artist had stretched it out to 80 minutes just because the disc holds that much.

Just recently, I made the decision to edit down my Fabrications album from the 72-73 minutes it had been running for the past few months, to almost exactly 60 minutes.  I think the experience of listening to the album straight through is improved by the reduction.
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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2008, 08:06:56 PM »
True, Joe R.  I can relate to your point of view about making your music available in the most accessible format but without being pretentious (please do know that I'm not  ;) I've learned with vidnaObmana that this is just not what I want to do.  I feel much more comfortable with smaller-scale releases but ones which are totally in tune with my vision and not because I want to sell more copies.


True enough Dirk, I've spoken with you enough to know that you are not pretentious. And it's admirable that you don't compromise your vision just to sell more copies. Sometimes integrity means more than the almighty dollar. :)

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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2008, 12:46:10 AM »
True enough Dirk, I've spoken with you enough to know that you are not pretentious. And it's admirable that you don't compromise your vision just to sell more copies. Sometimes integrity means more than the almighty dollar. :)

Amen to that  :D

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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2008, 06:42:47 AM »
Went to the flea market in Tallahassee yesterday.  My wife got a very, very new looking, kept in plastic cover, copy of the soundtrack for "A Fistful of Dollars" for $2.  The second side is one 13 minute track of combined themes from the movie.

I think I'm going to get a turntable.
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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2008, 11:47:30 AM »
I'm on a roll
Just got (on vinyl)
Emerson, Lake and Palmer   Pictures at an Exhibition
Hall and Oats   Along the Red Edge
Uriah Heep   Return To Fantasy
Osibisa

4 for $10 at an antique store 8)
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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2008, 06:52:42 PM »
Went to the flea market in Tallahassee yesterday.  My wife got a very, very new looking, kept in plastic cover, copy of the soundtrack for "A Fistful of Dollars" for $2.  The second side is one 13 minute track of combined themes from the movie.

I think I'm going to get a turntable.

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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2008, 10:57:48 AM »
ARRRGHGHGHGHGH!!!!

I bought (ordered) a turntable yesterday.
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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2008, 11:00:39 AM »
I'm on a roll
Just got (on vinyl)
Emerson, Lake and Palmer   Pictures at an Exhibition
Hall and Oats   Along the Red Edge
Uriah Heep   Return To Fantasy
Osibisa

4 for $10 at an antique store 8)


How much were they charging for their good music?

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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2008, 02:29:41 PM »
hahahahah :D

More today.  Yet another antique store, this one in Monticello, FL.  A $45 deal at the counter.

Edgar Winter  They Only Come Out At Night
The Very Best Of The Ventures (how many lps have that title)
Firesign Theater  Dear Friends and I Think We're All Bozos On This Bus
The Nice Five Bridges
Shawn Phillips  Second Contribution
Wendy Carlos  Digital Moonscapes
2001 Original Soundtrack
A 5 album set on the Verve label of Stan Getz  The Boso Nova Years

...and...
A 3 lp set, 1957 printing, Fantasia Soundtrack

I'm going back next week.  They had a Deutsch Gramaphone set of Beethoven's Nine Symphonies

Back to my old vinyl junkie days.  May be time for rehab soon.
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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2008, 03:03:18 PM »
I'll make this the last post in this series (possibly).

After getting the turntable, and a pair of cartridges, I found that I needed a phono preamp.  I also knew a disc washer would be necessary.  Talk about all the hidden costs.  It reminded me of a Gahan Wilson cartoon depicting Leonardo da Vinci showing a friend a television set and holding the plug.  The caption was "...and the I realized I needed to invent a socket and God knows what else."

I was home alone with the dogs, and finally had everything hooked up.  I put on the side of the Fantasia soundtrack with Ponticelli's Dance of the Hours.  I couldn't believe how wonderful it sounded!  I thought "this record is 51 years old."  I followed it with Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony and then the first record of the Stan Getz set.  Not even a crackle on that one.  What amazed me is the absence of surface noise.  Not the pops and crackles, but the annoying rumble as the needle scrapes across the vinyl.  I will definately return and get the set of Beethoven symphonies.  I realized that there are four albums that I use to have that I have not found on cd that I would love to find on vinyl. Eugene Fodor's performance of Tchaikosky's viloin concerto (Columbia Red seal), Tomita The Bermuda Triangle (coral pink vinyl) and Ravel's Bolero and Robin Trower Twice Removed From Yesterday.  And yes, some Quicksilver would be nice.  So would Herbie Hancock Empyrean Isles.  XTC English Settlement....

So, anyway, the whole vinyl thing.  I don't know if I'd say it's better or worse than vinyl.  It's just....groovier.  Maybe there is some unfounded level of connection that happens when music travels the purely analog journey from musician to recorded media to stereo to your ears without the mathematical process of conversion to digital.  I wonder if there was ever a vinyl printing of Mark Mothersbaugh's Music for Insominacs, which was a totally computer-programmed, digitally recorded, cd release.  That would be interesting.

I think I'll go home and unwrap a Gothic Playground album and play it.  We weren't that great of a band, and it was a lously recording, but it's the only thing on vinyl I have ever done.

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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2008, 03:13:52 PM »
So, anyway, the whole vinyl thing.  I don't know if I'd say it's better or worse than vinyl.  It's just....groovier.  Maybe there is some unfounded level of connection that happens when music travels the purely analog journey from musician to recorded media to stereo to your ears without the mathematical process of conversion to digital.  I wonder if there was ever a vinyl printing of Mark Mothersbaugh's Music for Insominacs, which was a totally computer-programmed, digitally recorded, cd release.  That would be interesting.

No vinyl, but if you love the sound of analog, this Music for Insomniacs series was originally released on cassettes, I believe 7 of them, which included material beyond the 2 CD set on Enigma (which are among the most treasured CDs I own).
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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2008, 11:55:14 AM »

No vinyl, but if you love the sound of analog, this Music for Insomniacs series was originally released on cassettes, I believe 7 of them, which included material beyond the 2 CD set on Enigma (which are among the most treasured CDs I own).

Was it a series? I only have one but that was enough for me, dreadful stuff. Personally I thought it should have been called Irritating Music that Will Make You An Insomniac;D I listened to the one cassette I have for the first time in about 15 years a few weeks ago and I put it way and probably won't listen to it again for another 15 years.  :P Its hardly an analog lovers dream as the sound sources were digital (fairlight samples and DX7 for the most part) plus cassettes don't really show off tape to its best unless you really like tape hiss.  ;D

The packaging was pretty interesting, it came in a cardboard box about twice as long as a cassette. The cassette was in one half of the box and was gold colored. In the other half was a deck of cards with Mark Mothersbaugh's picture on each card playing the different characters.
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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2008, 12:26:47 PM »

No vinyl, but if you love the sound of analog, this Music for Insomniacs series was originally released on cassettes, I believe 7 of them, which included material beyond the 2 CD set on Enigma (which are among the most treasured CDs I own).

Was it a series? I only have one but that was enough for me, dreadful stuff. Personally I thought it should have been called Irritating Music that Will Make You An Insomniac;D .

Ouch!  I kind of like that album, though at times the pieces almost sound like MIDI files.

Hard to imagine Dark Side of the Moon without the stickers and poster that came with the LP.  I just found a copy of Mirror's "Front Row Centre" LP, which has some more great Andrew Chalk artwork that would probably not translate as well as a small CD cover.

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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2008, 01:15:20 AM »
I've been buying a ton of (used) vinyl for the past year or so.  Most of it falls into two categories:  music that I really like but will never be on CD (or was only briefly available) or music that reminds me of a time or place, but I wouldn't want to pay CD prices for (think MacArthur Park or In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida).

I physically clean the vinyl (including a soak in warm water and detergent), dry it thoroughly, burn it to a CD-RW, rip it into a computer, and "clean" the sound with some very good software.  Then I burn it to CD, and rip it to my MP3 player.

I grew up on vinyl, but there's no question to me that a CD (in a good player/stereo system) sounds much, much better.

The "warmth" of vinyl is distortion -- very pleasant distortion, but still distortion.  If you really want it, there are programs that can add it back in.  Heck, the software I use will even (mathematically) duplicate the sound of specific vacuum tube amplifiers, if that's what you want!  ;)

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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2008, 06:06:05 AM »
As far as cleaning vinyl, disc washer fluid is actually a 1:1 mix of isopropyl alchol (rubbing alcohol) and water.  The price you pay for the stuff is, as with most commercially produced chemicals, to cover the cost of the container, not the cost of the substance inside.  I have a fine pump sprayer (really cheap one from walmart).  Spray them down, let them soak  bit and then clean them off with the disc washer.

Still doing the vinyl thing.  Last week I picked up about ten albums.  From Uriah Heep "Sweet Freedom" to Mike Oldfield "Five Miles Out" to a wonderful old recording of Debusy "Tres Nocturnes" on the Phillips label. 
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Re: Vinyl
« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2008, 06:17:35 AM »
Went on a spree this week end.  Used:  Robin Trower "Caravan To Midnight", Grand Funk "Live" and Split Enz "Time and Tide".  New: (choke, $25, well worth it)  200 gm audiofile 30th aniversary edition "Dark Side Of The Moon."
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« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2008, 07:24:48 PM »
New: (choke, $25, well worth it)  200 gm audiofile 30th aniversary edition "Dark Side Of The Moon."

But does it have the poster and stickers?  My original copy is long gone, but I was fortunate to find a used copy with the poster and stickers intact many years later.  The visual of this album really loses something in its repackaging as a smaller CD, but I have to admit that the sound quality on CD is a big improvement over my mid-70s Harvest pressing on subpar vinyl.

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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2008, 06:17:47 AM »
I bought it at Hot Topic.  They had a copy of The Ramones first album.  May go back.
YES!  3 posters, and two stickers.

I can't decide to get frames or just put them on the wall in my studio room with thumb tacks! :D

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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2008, 06:58:57 AM »
Wow, Wayne... you're buying vinyl at Hot Topic... I find myself feeling extremely old just walking outside of Hot Topic... congrats on walking in!  ha!

My sister had a copy of DSOTM which still had the poster and stickers.   I have it now (I've ended up with most of my family's vinyl including the few albums my mom and dad had).    Unfortunately - my sister and I wasted a lot of money on cassettes - I've still got boxes of those - although I have to admit I don't really care to listen to most of them...   
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« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2008, 08:32:18 AM »
I'm a regular at HT, even at 49!  I have bought quite a few of the Metal Compilation cds or cd/dvds, money goes to art education for "kids".  It's where my wife discovered Flogging Molly and Dropkick Murphys (which is presently her favorite band, we're planning a trip to Orlando in September to see them.)

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BTW, did I mention that the last time I went to a punk/metal club, I asked them if they gave senior discounts?
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