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Re: VISTA
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2009, 06:50:12 PM »
Personally, I'm on XP right now. I didn't bother to try Vista. I have seen it and I could not get excited about it. I'm going to wait about 6 months before going to Windows 7. I do know another techie that has worked with Windows 7 from the early builds of it and is very happy with it. Much better resource management, in his opinion.

My (main) problem with Microsoft has always been that they release a new OS and the drivers, 3rd party utilities, and software vendors all have to play catch up. Also, major bugs get found after a new OS release.
Thus, I will wait.

In my job, I use XP and probably an upgrade won't happen for quite awhile. Tight budget. 

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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2009, 06:47:47 AM »
It's on a need-to-upgrade basis only.

My current XP system is running very smoothly on a quad-core processor that's a year old.

So far I haven't had any needs to move to Vista or Windows 7, either the 32-bit or 64-bit flavors.

However, I am intrigued by Windows 7 64-bit and its ability to handle lots of RAM.  I can see where in the future if I edit huge photos or do video editing, running a 64-bit application might have an advantage.   Some of you may need this for music editing?

I have a good old scanner and printer.  I'm sure I would have some difficulties with them if I moved to Windows 7.

Right now, for me, Windows 7 would be eyecandy with a rotten center.  I'll let it mature a bit and buy a new PC in 2010 with it to try it out.  Perhaps I will get a netbook for travel, and it may have Win 7.

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2009, 06:59:35 AM »
I have Vista for family and internet use - mainly cos we needed a new laptop when we moved into a smaller house, no room for all the boxes - had more problems than I'd care to mention, mainly blus screen when the information coming into the page writing process is more than the memory can handle..............WTF has been my thought and feelings since getting it.

Most upgrades have just slowed it even more....making the WTF more fraught each time - unless I've just bummed out on a duff computer.

Currently on XP for music....no problems there.

may look at windows 7 sometime in the future when I have more cash available...

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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2009, 05:01:29 PM »
Running it on a E6850 dual core oc'd to 3.6Ghz (when I fire it up) as well as XP Pro SP 3 (on first partition of 1TB raid 0). I was going to try Ubuntu from the Vista install so it doesn't screw up the boot loader (have to do it from Vista since it was installed 2nd) but it wouldn't work with 8.04? I think due to what they consider fakeraid/software raid so I had to trash that option. Would have been cool, strange thing is install went just fine but reboot failed miserably due to the raid situation. Don't think it's been resolved yet but should check into it.

As for Vista, I went Ultimate 64, it seems ok, I hear W7 is much better, especially audio-wise and a lot of people seem to like it (and as mentioned what Vista should have been). I am going to wait for now unless I get another SATA II HDD and install it as 3rd bootable OS into it to keep it separate. But being out of work still it's low on my list of things to buy ;-)  but I wish I had played with it.

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2009, 09:07:44 PM »
My point wasn't "don't dare mention putting OSX on PC hardware," just that Psystar is already being sued by Apple, tried declaring bankruptcy to preempt the suit and this effort was denied by the judge.  Psystar will be out of business soon, so it would be risky to purchase their products.  There are thousands of people installing OSX on PC hardware already -- google "hackintosh" to see what I mean.  There are guides to which hardware setups are most conducive to doing this.

Not all computer hardware is equal, whether it runs Windows or Linux or MacOS, so to imply that you can install OSX on some el-cheapo build-your-own PC configuration and have something as good as a Mac Pro is silly.

Well, if course the design is still not 100% identical,  however most of the components are PC components.
The exception is the motherboard and the BIOS. If the motherboard design is based on an PC designed motherboard would be interesting to know, maybe Intel ?. The bios is without doubt based on genuine Apple design.





My guess is that Apple uses a modified Intel based motherboard.

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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2009, 09:15:38 PM »
My point wasn't "don't dare mention putting OSX on PC hardware," just that Psystar is already being sued by Apple, tried declaring bankruptcy to preempt the suit and this effort was denied by the judge.  Psystar will be out of business soon, so it would be risky to purchase their products.  There are thousands of people installing OSX on PC hardware already -- google "hackintosh" to see what I mean.  There are guides to which hardware setups are most conducive to doing this.

Not all computer hardware is equal, whether it runs Windows or Linux or MacOS, so to imply that you can install OSX on some el-cheapo build-your-own PC configuration and have something as good as a Mac Pro is silly.

Understood Mike. However, I do think that Apple will eventually regret moving over to Intel processors and using a Unix kernel for the OS. The temptation for some hackers wanting a "hackintosh" is irresistible.

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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2009, 06:11:10 AM »
My point wasn't "don't dare mention putting OSX on PC hardware," just that Psystar is already being sued by Apple, tried declaring bankruptcy to preempt the suit and this effort was denied by the judge.  Psystar will be out of business soon, so it would be risky to purchase their products.  There are thousands of people installing OSX on PC hardware already -- google "hackintosh" to see what I mean.  There are guides to which hardware setups are most conducive to doing this.

Not all computer hardware is equal, whether it runs Windows or Linux or MacOS, so to imply that you can install OSX on some el-cheapo build-your-own PC configuration and have something as good as a Mac Pro is silly.



My guess is that Apple uses a modified Intel based motherboard.

That is my guess too, even though I am sure the true answer is out there on google...if you really want to know...

But yeah, Steve Jobs told in an interview, that they seen their self as an software company. Besides IPOD it seem that all their techonlogy they release is with help of other cooperations.  They do not invent new technology when it comes to hardware, what they are mostly responisible for is the design and software, and I must say, I have never liked the Apple design. I really hate white to begin with, I prefer darker colors.  They only cooperate with PC component manufacture and package it in an Apple with but for the twice of the price. For PC you have an ocean of choice, so the advantage is obvious, you no longer limited to a very small amount of hardware...

I strongly dislike their concept, I would like them more of they did for instance allow to use their OS on an PC (which can be done already but not officially supported). Their whole concept is based on blackmail, and forcing and trap us into use only their hardware, which in reality is only an PC but with Apple software/bios.




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Re: VISTA
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2009, 06:26:11 AM »
My point wasn't "don't dare mention putting OSX on PC hardware," just that Psystar is already being sued by Apple, tried declaring bankruptcy to preempt the suit and this effort was denied by the judge.  Psystar will be out of business soon, so it would be risky to purchase their products.  There are thousands of people installing OSX on PC hardware already -- google "hackintosh" to see what I mean.  There are guides to which hardware setups are most conducive to doing this.

Not all computer hardware is equal, whether it runs Windows or Linux or MacOS, so to imply that you can install OSX on some el-cheapo build-your-own PC configuration and have something as good as a Mac Pro is silly.

Understood Mike. However, I do think that Apple will eventually regret moving over to Intel processors and using a Unix kernel for the OS. The temptation for some hackers wanting a "hackintosh" is irresistible.

I think Apple would disagree.  They were reaching a dead-end in PowerPC CPU development with Motorola and IBM, who were falling farther and farther behind Intel.  That was giving a lot of people a simple, obvious reason to avoid Apple hardware -- lack of horsepower -- that no longer exists.

The number of people making stable, upgradeable "hackintosh" machines is insignificant compared to the increased number of Macs they're selling because Apple hardware is faster due to the switch to Intel.  Apple is gradually selling more and more Mac computers (especially laptops).
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Re: VISTA
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2009, 06:35:01 AM »
But yeah, Steve Jobs told in an interview, that they seen their self as an software company. Besides IPOD it seem that all their techonlogy they release is with help of other cooperations.  They do not invent new technology when it comes to hardware, what they are mostly responisible for is the design and software, and I must say, I have never liked the Apple design. I really hate white to begin with, I prefer darker colors.  They only cooperate with PC component manufacture and package it in an Apple with but for the twice of the price. For PC you have an ocean of choice, so the advantage is obvious, you no longer limited to a very small amount of hardware...

I strongly dislike their concept, I would like them more of they did for instance allow to use their OS on an PC (which can be done already but not officially supported). Their whole concept is based on blackmail, and forcing and trap us into use only their hardware, which in reality is only an PC but with Apple software/bios.

You don't like Apple, that's fine.  But you give a bunch of reasons based on misunderstanding or willful disinformation.

Apple is responsible for at least as many technology patents, if not vastly more, than any other PC manufacturer you could name.  The extent to which they assemble "off the shelf" PC components is, again, less than any other PC manufacturer (including esoteric specialists like Boxx or Alienware).

Yes, their profit margins are higher than Dell, and the reason for that is that Dell assembles boxes using the cheapest possible components, generally geared toward the lowest sale price.  When you "build to order" a Dell or HP or Gateway machine with better parts specified, what you'll find is -- surprise -- the comparable Apple hardware really isn't that much more expensive at all.  Of course Apple doesn't make a $349 piece of crap box like Dell does.  They're not trying to compete in that market, and if you think they should, I'd suggest you compare Apple's stock results to Dell's (hint:  Apple could buy Dell with the spare cash they have sitting around).  The world doesn't need another Dell.  Gateway tried that and almost bankrupted themselves.

Read this. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-leopard-windows-vista,1985.html  Especially the page titled "Total Misconceptions and Being Severely Misinformed." 

Note also that www.tomshardware.com is a PC-centric site for people who enjoy messing around under the hood of their computer, overclocking the CPU, and benchmarking differences in RAM speed... hardly Apple fanboys.

Opinions are fine, disliking white is fine, preferring whatever color of plastic you like is totally OK.  Just don't spout a bunch of falsehoods in support of your argument.
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2009, 09:25:18 AM »

I have Vista on my dedicated music machine,  I don't love it and I don't hate it. Its stable, but I
had to do a lot of tweaking to get it to run 'lean'.
 
Not having it connected to the Internet is a big thing, without having to run antivirus and firewall
programs, it boots up and shuts down very quickly - which is nice.

cheers
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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2009, 10:13:47 AM »
Well, soon I will transform my PC to Pure APPLE also, i will just paint the computer white and put on the APPLE logo :)

While you are at it why don't you buy a Volkswagen, paint it white, and then put a Mercedes logo on it, same thing I would think. That way you can also prove your superiority to the auto aficionados as well.  ;D

As for Vista, my first run in with it was while temping for a game developer, it seemed to me at the time that a lot of the so called upgrades were done just because they could do it and actually would slow down your work flow if you were familiar with XP at all. I've also known a few people who bought new PCs with Vista and then tried to hook up their printers, scanners, and other add-on hardware devices that they had used with their older XP computers, but found they no longer worked because no drivers had been developed. Of course this has changed but it was a common complaint I heard from early adaptors. On the  plus side, now that I do mostly a/v work here at the school, I have found that laptops with Vista are more friendly when dealing with projectors then computers running XP.
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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2009, 10:28:48 AM »
Back to the subject of Windows Vista again... there are tools I've used myself, and recommended to others at times with some reservations, that can help quickly modify a lot of the settings that make Vista (and XP) so irritating.

For Vista there's a program called Vispa, and for XP it's Xpy.  Links here:

Vispa
http://vispa.whyeye.org/

Xpy
http://xpy.whyeye.org/

These tools make it possible to destroy your Vista or XP installation if you change things without knowing what you're doing, which is why I said I recommend these tools only with some recommendations.  If you have a "stock" Windows installation these apps can quickly help you change dozens of default settings to simplify and streamline your Windows environment.  By default, Windows has all kinds of active programs and services running in the background, as well as resource-wasteful settings in various applications.  If you find yourself irritated with the default behavior of Internet Explorer, or Windows Media Player, or if you wonder why there are so many background services running that seem irrelevant to how you use your computer, you may be able to streamline things significantly with these tools.

Too bad I haven't yet been able to find an automatic de-crapifyer application to remove all the crapware installed on all pre-built PCs... various "trial versions" and teaser applications and crippled "light" versions of applications.  No thanks, I don't need AOL preinstalled on my new computer!  It can take hours just to get a new store-bought PC ready for use, uninstalling and re-starting and uninstalling some more.
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Re: VISTA
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2009, 05:12:18 PM »
Follow-up on Mac clone-maker Psystar... now out of business.  That didn't take long.

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200912172008dowjonesdjonline000657
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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2009, 03:29:55 PM »
New article on "great and disappointing operating systems of the decade" from IT World.

http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/89733/great-disappointing-operating-systems-decade

Some obvious choices here (Windows ME = boo, hiss) but an interesting read.

They agree Vista was a disaster.
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