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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2009, 11:35:54 AM »
I use Garageband all the time. The included sounds aren't the best, but I've never had an issue with compatible AU plug-ins. And as a recorder it's got most of everything I need. I've used Logic as well and may spring for Express again but I don't really miss much of the additional functionality on the sequencer/recording side.
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2009, 12:00:00 PM »
My main program is now Logic 9, its my virtual mixer, I run everything through it. All my synths and outboard effects all come in and out through Logic 9 via my MOTU PCI audio card. Since its my mixer I need all those aux sends and buss outs, and the nice thing about my system is I can label everything. So, if I want to send a signal to my Sony R7 reverb all I have to do is bring up the send called "Sony R7" and its now connected. All my hardware synths are connected via the external instrument plugin and I run them all in real time. I think in my case garageband would be too simple.

For processing and editing I still use Peak Pro 5, although I'm just now in the process of finally upgrading to version 6. I would say about 98% of the material I use are sounds I have created or recorded.
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2009, 12:13:52 PM »
I have been running Nuendo for the past decade or so, but switched to Cubase 5 this past year as, 1. it is currently more advanced the Nuendo, and cheaper and I do not use 90% the features that make it different.

I run Cubase very similar to how Loren runs Logic, as it is my mixer, and I use hardware as virtual plug-ins as well. In the past 3 years I have been slowly moving back out of the computer in regards to compression, EQ, effects and even synths, and now I am in the process of finding the balance of software vs hardware that best fits my own work flow as well as what works best for clients.

Other than the Korg Legacy digital collection and maybe NI FM8, which are both very faithful recreations of real world synths I have no real love for soft synths anymore, the just don't excite me as a playing musician. Like some others here have mentioned I am much more into playing music in real time with effects and such and capturing a performance, vs editing and crafting a virtual one.

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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2009, 02:59:41 PM »
I'm curious whether anyone is using "abandonware" software, that is, a software application that is no longer sold or updated.  For example, TC Spark used to be a fairly popular stereo mastering application for Mac, and TC Electronics killed it.  I'm not so much talking about someone using non-current of applications that are still being sold and updated (say, Ableton Live 3.0 or something).

Until fairly recently I still used Unisyn software which I'm pretty sure is long-dead.  It's a synth patch editing program and I used it going way back to Windows 3.1.

Anybody using an Atari ST or an Amiga?  Every app on those platforms is abandonware now!

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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2009, 06:18:55 PM »
I think motu still sell Unisyn.
Not sure if anything I use is now defunct.
But on that topic, its surprising just how fast lots of hardware becomes legacy.
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2009, 07:19:48 PM »
Yes Unisyn is still for sale from MOTU.

As for "abandonware" I have an old mac 9600 which has my old Oasys PCI card with all the legacy OS 9 software I use to use. It still has Alchemy, Cubase VST, Soundhack, and old versions of Peak on the harddrive.  As to the Oasys, I also have the development software called synthkit, I'm just starting to build my own synth for the card, sort of a cross between a wavestation and morpheus, at least that is my goal.
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2009, 09:14:12 PM »
I'm curious whether anyone is using "abandonware" software, that is, a software application that is no longer sold or updated.
Anybody using an Atari ST or an Amiga?  Every app on those platforms is abandonware now!

I still occasionally run some very old Dos/Windows 3.1 algorithmic programs (mostly fractal) on my Windows 98 computer for fun.  A couple of "obsolete" algorithmic programs I've always wanted to run but could never find are Russ Kozerski's Sound Globs (a DOS program which requires a certain type of obsolete MPU-401 card to run) and Ovaltune (for old Macs).  I did once have a demo for Sound Globs, but didn't have the right card for it at the time.  I also still own an ATARI ST, which I used in the late 90s to run algorithmic programs like PVG, but there are now some great PC simulators (like STeem) that can run these programs.

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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2009, 10:03:55 PM »
I'm not running any now, but I still have my old Seer Reality software sitting here wishing I had a windows 98 machine to run it on. Speaking of antique stuff, I'm also looking at my old Mac+ from around 1984 sitting here wondering where my MOTU Performer software is. ;D    Harry
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2009, 06:39:45 AM »
Hi......Great thread,

I have really been enjoying my recent upgrade from Logic 7 to Logic 8, Im on a G5 Quad core so I can not move to Logic 9.  Logic 8 came bundled with a Presonus Faderport, Its hard to believe I have been using a mouse for so long.  The wonderful new work flow in Logic 8 combined with the faderport has complete change my music production method.

I also came across a collection of pluggins from stillwellaudio.com , The Vibe EQ is very sweet and the Im loving the Rocket compressor.

After Five years of a love / hate relationship with my Andromeda, my main analog poly, I sort of retired it and got an Oberheim Matrix 12, actually the two synths compliment each other.




Dont mean to turn the thread to gear porn, but its a beauty......actually this beauty  arrived with 6 of the 12 voices Failing, fortunately the M12 was a trade through a Vintage synth dealer so as I write this its being serviced.  The pitfalls of using vintage gear. In my mind well worth.  I had the M12 for a month, well it was really an Xpander with keys before going back to be fixed.  The sound is everything you would image and more because what you can't imagine is the immense presence of sound that comes out of it, its quite astonishing.  I love the interface, very straight forward and easy to program.....yes, but so is sticking your head down the rabbit hole, if you want to see how far it goes be ready to jump.  It goes deep!  Having used a Serge Modular for a while I've had a good education.

Anyway thanks for the opportunity to share,

Best.....Julio

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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2009, 06:45:31 AM »
Sorry for the huge photo......was not supposed to be that big ???

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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2009, 08:15:56 AM »
On the other hand, when I shared some panned bell drones with Lustmord, he positively hated them.

What did you do with Lustmord?

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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2009, 08:42:22 AM »
lol.

Seren-- I e-mailed him and tried to initiate a collaboration.

At first he just asked a bunch of questions, but when I shared some sounds he became really upset and said some nasty things about my work.

I think Lustmord is very talented but he seems hard to work with.

So, basically, nothing musical came out of it.
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2009, 10:29:18 AM »
Yes Unisyn is still for sale from MOTU.

I checked and you guys are right -- MOTU is still selling Unisyn.

I think the reason I had assumed it was abandonware is that they long ago stopped creating new synth profiles for it, and Unisyn is worthless if no profile exists for your instruments.  I think the Roland JV-2080 was the last synth I purchased that was supported by Roland, and at the time I was only able to obtain a beta version of their JV-2080 profile by writing to Roland and signing some kind of document stating I wouldn't sue them if the beta-version profile fried my synth.  That was about 10 years ago, I think, and the number of modern synths supported by Unisn is nearly zero.  I see the Yamaha Motiv 6-7-8 on the list but almost nothing else from recent years.

What's everyone else using to program their synths?  Proprietary apps for each synth?  The buttons on the front of the machine?

Gosh, I miss the old days of Unisyn when every synth in my studio was wired up and I could program for hours with just my computer mouse!
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2009, 11:31:54 AM »
I have really been enjoying my recent upgrade from Logic 7 to Logic 8, Im on a G5 Quad core so I can not move to Logic 9. 

Actually you can, I am using a Dual core G5 and I made the upgrade, its just Apple won't support you. The only issue I have heard was a problem with Logic 9 crashing. This was caused by a softkey Logic 6 had installed. Once it is removed it works great, but if you started with Logic 7 you should be fine.

As for programming, I use a beta OSX version of Sounddiver that Apple gave a way awhile ago. I guess that kind of counts under the "abandonware."
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2009, 12:35:56 PM »
As for programming, I use a beta OSX version of Sounddiver that Apple gave a way awhile ago. I guess that kind of counts under the "abandonware."


I downloaded this and meant to try that, too.

I also have an old laptop with Windows Unisyn on it, which is fine for most of my synths.  I think my Yamaha S80, the Microwave XT and the Korg Triton are left out, but the S80 came with its own editor application, the XT is mostly just single-function knobs, and the Triton actually has a decent front-panel programming interface.
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2009, 04:10:43 PM »
I think editors fell out of fashion when soft synths hit it big.  I used midiquest if I recall the name correctly, and it was pretty buggy most of the time.
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2009, 04:15:07 PM »
I think universal editor/libraries went away when three things happened:

1. many new synths had single-function control knobs for all parameters, just like old analog synths
2. several other new synths came with proprietary editor/librarian/interface software
3. like Sunbreak Music said, softsynths, which are nothing but computer interface
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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2009, 06:52:08 PM »
When I have to, I use the MIDIQuest editor, which covers many of my instruments.
I prefer to edit on an instrument, which is one reason I have many Roland Synths
like the JD-990, XV-5080 & XP-80 with generous readouts and reasonable buttons.
I picked up a used XV-5050 this year which doesn't have a good interface
but you can download a decent USB editor from Roland for it. (I think I would
still prefer to edit on the synth but I wanted a smaller module for live to
supplement my laptop and sacrificed the interface.)

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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2009, 06:41:57 AM »
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Actually you can, I am using a Dual core G5 and I made the upgrade, its just Apple won't support you. The only issue I have heard was a problem with Logic 9 crashing. This was caused by a softkey Logic 6 had installed. Once it is removed it works great, but if you started with Logic 7 you should be fine.
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Thanks for letting me know that Loren.....good news.  Flex time editing seems worth the upgrade from logic 8, I briefly demoed Ableton live 8 and it had something similar.

Julio

 

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Re: musicians, sound artists and noise-makers -- what's new?
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2009, 03:48:44 PM »
I think I have an unusual approach to making music.  I only have a laptop with Ableton Live and Absynth 4, so I do it all in Live.  Often times what I'll do is create a patch in Absynth in standalone mode, and then save it and open up Live. 

But I don't open the patch right away; I spend a lot of time making complex routings in Live like having track 1 go to send 1 which goes to track 2 which goes to send 2 etc...  On all of these tracks and sends I set up different effects with different parameters, and have a final track which takes all of the previous tracks before it and goes to the master.  On one project, I have 5 tracks and 5 sends going back and forth, all with reverbs with different parameters on them, and some grain delay on the final track, and it came amazingly close to sounding like a Steve Roach piece.  I do all of this without ever listening to the initial patch, so when I'm done with routing stuff, I load up Absynth on track 1 and see what happens.  Oftentimes, it works amazingly well.  A patch with a short 1 second attack can take as long as 10 seconds for it to sound on the master channel through all of the effects.  It sounds nothing like what the patch originally was, and is really just a smear of sound of all the reverb and delay that it goes through, but it sounds wonderful.

Ableton Live is really great.  I actually had a <1 second sample the other day and turned it into a 5 minute piece through a complex routing.  This way probably seems a little weird, but for me it produces great results.