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TD - Phaedra versions
« on: December 06, 2009, 07:57:20 PM »
Probably an old debate but is there a "definitive" CD mastering of this?

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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 12:53:31 AM »
If there is I've never seen it listed anywhere.  There is a 2005 "re-recording" by Edgar Froese that is supposedly awful.

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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 01:38:37 AM »
If there is I've never seen it listed anywhere.  There is a 2005 "re-recording" by Edgar Froese that is supposedly awful.

The CD issue I've seen is from 1995 I think. Anyone know it?

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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2009, 02:53:32 AM »
I checked Discogs, you are right Virgin released definitive version in '95.  They have one for sale (Virgin Italy version) for 22.50 Euros.  I'm really surprised there haven't been subsequent reissues in recent years of the Virgin titles.

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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 01:49:27 PM »
A friend that I introduced to electronic music recently bought the 1995
remastered versions of the first four of TD's Virgin years.  Since I
hadn't played those for so long, being only on vinyl, I borrowed them. 
They sounded fine on headphones.  Lots of analogue nostalgia.

They only cost about $7 each.
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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 09:15:17 PM »
I have the one from the 80's? I won't bother with remastered versions for them. I have a lot of their stuff including virgin years but I would have to go to their site and see what I may be missing. I lost interest in them in the mid/late 80's timeframe as to me they became too happy/new-age-ish. Not as dark as their better material. Still great musicianship but with the addition of guitar to it and whatnot I just fell off the bandwagon for them. I would have LOVED to have seen them during the 80's when I got into them. I think Thief was my first exposure to them and I went nuts from there to get a bunch of their stuff going back into the 70's (some I don't like, sort of acidish stuff which at that time didn't click with me, perhaps today I will have more appreciation for it?).

But I prefer their 70's to mid/late 80's material the most (Tangram, Le Parc, Green Desert, Logos Live, Exit, etc...). I need to dig them out and dust them off as I have not listened to them in quite some time (talking yrs here lol).


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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2009, 11:33:31 PM »
I saw TD in '86. Probably among the dullest concerts I've ever attended. But I do recall some gems in their output. Any votes for their best 70s work here? Is Phaedra among the keepers from the period?

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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 05:08:41 AM »
Personally I enjoy everything up until Force Majeure (and that one has some good moments, too).  There's a moment on that LP where you realize (though people didn't know at the time) that the total TD cheese is coming, and it's gonna be bad.

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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 05:28:47 AM »
Although posibly similar to Phaedra I  prefer Rubycon.

Very different and better than both, for me, is Zeit - 4 tracks of deep space ambience and no sequence rhythms at all.

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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 12:27:43 PM »
At some point, when a great band has released far more bad albums than great ones, it becomes more difficult for me to see their great work in the same way.  I can still listen to those early albums and enjoy them quite a lot, and Phaedra does remain my favorite, but the sense of mystery and wonder is seriously diminished.  I sort of wish Tangerine Dream had just done those first seven or eight albums and then quit.
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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 02:10:16 PM »
Rubycon is a personal favorite.  and... I found a NM copy on vinyl recently.  Sweet!
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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 10:07:20 PM »
They DID quit (or most of the members) but Edgar Froese just keeps going.  He should've dropped the TD name long ago, as they haven't been a real band for ages.  :o

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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2009, 08:16:37 PM »
I saw TD in '86. Probably among the dullest concerts I've ever attended. But I do recall some gems in their output. Any votes for their best 70s work here? Is Phaedra among the keepers from the period?

I would say Green Desert if that came out in the 70's. Don't have it handy atm to check. I really liked that CD.


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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2009, 05:00:04 PM »
Of the early music I would have thought the ambient Atem and
Zeit would have most appeal in this forum. There are also various
live  performances form the Virgin years that I enjoy too; these are
mostly improvised often in an ambient atmospheric style without the
throbbing sequences.  For those that like Phaedra and Rubycon
the early ambient recordings were just too dull and/or too different.
Even I didn't rate them 30 years ago, but coming back to them in
recent years now my ears are attuned to the ambient soundscape I
do appreciate them.

My favourite is the first exposure to TD: Alpha Centauri followed by
Phaedra.

I stopped buying TD recordings in the mid 1970s when I had to be
frugal as a post-grad and I thought Virgin was being mean only
offering about 35  minutes of music per album.  It's only in the last
few years that I've bought more of the later Virgin years on CD.
They're OK, more melodic, but lack the atmosphere and novelty of
the earlier compositions.

In the last few months I've sampled a few best of releases from the
1990s and recent music.  It's a completely different sound.  Quite
listenable but light years from the classic era.  Some fans have gone
along for the ride.  Many left.  (Reminded me of Genesis
switching from prog to pop.)  Some of those make their own music in
the 70s TD style, and prefer analogue sounds (especially the mellotron).
They're quite dismissive of TD now (judging by the programme for the
recent Hampshire Jam).  It was the 70--80s sounds that made a big
influence upon them and they want to continue to explore that style.
As I write I'm listening to F D Project Mandarinentraum and earlier
Free System Project+Brendan Pollard+Hastronaut Time Out of Mind.
There are so many exponents influenced by the pioneers of of electronic
music carrying the torch of TD.  If you like that style there's no shortage
available.

EM concerts can be dull to watch.  A few guys standing around
twiddling knobs, occasionally playing some keyboards...  A good light show
(such as in a planetarium) helps.
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Re: TD - Phaedra versions
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2009, 09:33:39 PM »
I agree, both Atem and Zeit are essentials!

The new Free System Projekt is a stunner, some of the best retro/analog stuff I've heard in quite some time.  Some great glissando guitar a la Robert Rich adds a very nice touch to the sound of this album.