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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5320 on: January 15, 2017, 05:12:01 PM »
Thom Brennan - Mist



Superb Ambient drone.  A little New Agey at times, but certainly not New Age.  It's the only TB album I have and it won't be the last.

That is one good album, but listening to ambient is sad it is total destruction of audio. I feel bad of people growing up today, with bad audio quality everywhere.

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5321 on: January 15, 2017, 06:08:14 PM »

That is one good album, but listening to ambient is sad it is total destruction of audio. I feel bad of people growing up today, with bad audio quality everywhere.

I don't feel bad for people growing up today.  They can use YouTube to preview a full album in lower audio quality before they buy it.  When I was a kid, I didn't get to listen to music before I bought it.

The unfortunate thing is a large percentage of young people don't buy music and don't know what good audio quality is.  I'm betting the Thom Brennan album sounds pretty good at Spotify.  Sadly, someone has to listen to it 1000 times to pay the artist $10.  Most people won't stream Mist 1000 times in their lifetime.

Youtube playback is maxed at 128k AAC.  It used to be higher quality.  This bit rate can sound a lot better than the example of Mist, so I am led to believe it was uploaded at a lower bit rate and not AAC.
 

       

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5322 on: January 15, 2017, 07:26:44 PM »

That is one good album, but listening to ambient is sad it is total destruction of audio. I feel bad of people growing up today, with bad audio quality everywhere.



The unfortunate thing is a large percentage of young people don't buy music and don't know what good audio quality is.

     

That is what I am talking about, commercial services do not care about sound quality, they are care about cost and bandwidth, and young people today just want it easy, preferably they do not even want to choose what they listen to their self but let spotify and others decide, based on algoritms and what their friends listen too.

I uploaded my track on soundcloud, it sounds like crap there, I thought soundcloud had good sound, but it sounds really bad, it sounds like 128kbps or something.

https://soundcloud.com/solyaris84/ekstasis-drifting-in-lost-time

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5323 on: January 15, 2017, 08:34:05 PM »
steve roach - harmonia mundi

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5324 on: January 15, 2017, 10:47:48 PM »
Ma Ja Le/Vir unis (steve roach) - shingon

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5325 on: January 16, 2017, 06:38:57 PM »

I uploaded my track on soundcloud, it sounds like crap there, I thought soundcloud had good sound, but it sounds really bad, it sounds like 128kbps or something.

https://soundcloud.com/solyaris84/ekstasis-drifting-in-lost-time

Soundcloud is 128k. 

If you want better quality, try the new service called Orfium.  320k stream.  Embedable player.  It's free to use.

https://www.orfium.com/

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5326 on: January 17, 2017, 12:20:57 AM »

If you want better quality, try the new service called Orfium.  320k stream.  Embedable player.  It's free to use.

https://www.orfium.com/

I can not recommend Orfium. I tried this service and after the trial I wanted to delete my account.
I had to message the founders of Orfium numerous times until they finally deleted my account (two months after my request).
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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5327 on: January 17, 2017, 07:55:53 AM »
Subaeris - The City in Rain
Urban dronescapes
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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5328 on: January 17, 2017, 08:38:20 AM »

That is one good album, but listening to ambient is sad it is total destruction of audio. I feel bad of people growing up today, with bad audio quality everywhere.

I don't feel bad for people growing up today.  They can use YouTube to preview a full album in lower audio quality before they buy it.  When I was a kid, I didn't get to listen to music before I bought it.

The unfortunate thing is a large percentage of young people don't buy music and don't know what good audio quality is.  I'm betting the Thom Brennan album sounds pretty good at Spotify.  Sadly, someone has to listen to it 1000 times to pay the artist $10.  Most people won't stream Mist 1000 times in their lifetime.

Think it's more than just young people in this scenario. I know many adults, all ages, who do not have the first clue about sound quality, Hi Fi, bit rates , or even remotely decent music.

Conversely I know a lot of young people who are right into music, buying vinyl and looking at better equipment etc.

I can confirm the Brennan albums on Spotify are pretty damm good quality. I stream on the highest quality choice which I think is 320kbs. I have most of the Brennan albums on purchased download but still listen on Spotify occasionally. Have to confess I like Spotify very much. I use it mainly for researching artists that I might like to follow further by purchasing their music. But also listen to artists that I would never consider purchasing their music so I guess they get some support from that. As a result of spotify I have bought several albums I may not have otherwise.

Is that actualy what the payment rate is then 1000 plays for $10? If so that is poor. I do recall a Projekt email where Sam said it was 247 plays for one dollar also. Mmmhh not great.


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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5329 on: January 17, 2017, 08:54:03 AM »

Is that actualy what the payment rate is then 1000 plays for $10? If so that is poor. I do recall a Projekt email where Sam said it was 247 plays for one dollar also. Mmmhh not great.

Yeah, not great at all. From reading Sam's blog articles on the whole streaming thing, his stance seems to have softened on it a little, but I'm glad he is putting the reality of these services out there. I've always felt that it's appropriate to support artists I like to the extent I can. That means buying albums either in lossless digital format or physical copies. Streaming is great for previews and checking out new artists but that's all it will be for me.

Re: Ekstatis' comments above, the norm for the current generation is simply to not buy any music at all and stream everything. Sadly, I don't see this changing any time soon. A lot of people under 30 are so cheap they won't even buy a CD for $5, much less anything that costs more than that.

Not that Neil Young isn't already rich, but there was a recent thread on another forum where people were complaining that his albums weren't on a streaming service, then when they were later added, everyone was happy because they "could finally listen to them". Never mind that most of his back catalog is available for between $5-8 a pop on CD brand new. I've seen similar threads complaining about the back catalogs of other artists and labels too (Kill Rocks Stars was one). With this line of thinking, you can extrapolate and see why it's tougher than ever for indie artists to simply break even on the music they make. 
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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5330 on: January 17, 2017, 09:22:55 AM »
First Law - A Future So Bright

https://loki-found.bandcamp.com/album/a-future-so-bright

I'd somehow missed this artist over the years. From what I gather they started off doing fairly standard dark ambient and gradually became more experimental or added things to the formula over time. This is the most recent album and it's very good IMHO. It has a strong psychedelic feel to it which I enjoy. LOKI just added this and the rest of the catalog to Bandcamp, digital downloads are priced at 5 Euros for a limited time.

Bad Sector - Cephus

https://bad-sector.bandcamp.com/album/from-cephus-2015

I bought this CD when it first came out, but hadn't really listened to it much. For some reason I felt it was weaker than past Bad Sector releases when I initially played it. Listening again now and I'm liking it a lot more.

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5331 on: January 17, 2017, 10:19:07 AM »
Biosphere :: Departed Glories -- A curious album. Often with great beauty and subtlety.

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« Reply #5332 on: January 17, 2017, 10:36:52 AM »
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Murkok :: Dizziness -- grainy, noisy, pads/drones. Would be excellent sleep music.

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5333 on: January 17, 2017, 10:53:22 AM »

Is that actualy what the payment rate is then 1000 plays for $10? If so that is poor. I do recall a Projekt email where Sam said it was 247 plays for one dollar also. Mmmhh not great.


Spotify's payout is not the same for every artist and it has been decreasing.  The artist's payout can be closer to 0.001 per stream if they are signed to a medium or larger label.  Thom B probably gets about 0.005 per stream, so that would be closer to 2000 plays for $10.

Mist costs $5 as a download minus 30% to a major merchant.   So someone would need to stream 700 Mist songs (or the entire album 175 times) to produce the same revenue as an Amazon download.  Streaming the entire album 5x per year for 35 years would pay the same as a download.  This is assuming Spotify's payout rate doesn't change which is a doubtful assumption.
 

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« Reply #5334 on: January 17, 2017, 04:32:40 PM »
As a young person, I can tell the difference between loseless files and let's say 256kbps or 320 kbps MP3s even before I started making music but honestly, the difference isn't enough for me to convert all my music library to loseless files. Now if you're listening to MP3s at 192 kbps and lower, you're asking for trouble.
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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5335 on: January 19, 2017, 01:44:18 AM »

I uploaded my track on soundcloud, it sounds like crap there, I thought soundcloud had good sound, but it sounds really bad, it sounds like 128kbps or something.

https://soundcloud.com/solyaris84/ekstasis-drifting-in-lost-time

Soundcloud is 128k. 

If you want better quality, try the new service called Orfium.  320k stream.  Embedable player.  It's free to use.

https://www.orfium.com/

128kbps is such a big joke what is this is this 1999 or something lol ?
when I did begin to listen to mp3s between 1997-and 1999 128kbps was the standard then in 2000  all mp3s become 192 kbps, around 2003 all albums started using VBR.

Why cant they atleast use VBR ?  128 kbps cbr is such insult to the music imo.
I think their neat interface where you see the soundwaves in details etc gives an illussion that soundcloud somehow offer better
sound quality then all others.

Regarding orfium, it have no android app, or even IOS app, I think most people use soundcloud thru respective mobile app.

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Re: Currently listening, part 1
« Reply #5336 on: January 19, 2017, 09:32:14 AM »


I really want that MAQ sequencer.