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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2010, 06:35:50 AM »

I'm at the other end.  I generally won't buy a new release without a package, unless it is the only available format or I'm only testing the waters with a less expensive version.  I find archiving releases in mp3 format that are not keepers a useful way to keep the size of my collection under control.  When people stop buying the physical format, I'll probably stop releasing altogether.

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This would make me sad. 

I am curious why the format that folks want their music in would make you reconsider releasing your music.

As I see it, your music is independent of media, and my media desires have to do with practicality (space to store CDs).

As more people feel this way, I don't see them losing interest in any artist's musical output.

It's similar to a lot of vinyl only releases these days.  Although I still buy vinyl, I greatly prefer lossless digital format or CD and I just don't buy THAT much vinyl.  I hate to miss an artist's output just because they for some reason wish to limit the media choice.

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2010, 01:33:15 PM »

I am curious why the format that folks want their music in would make you reconsider releasing your music.

As I see it, your music is independent of media, and my media desires have to do with practicality (space to store CDs).


Jim,

For me, releasing an album is more than question of format.  What I like about vinyl and, to a lesser degree, CDs, is that they at least engage more than one sense—sight and touch.  That point was brought home to me when I recently purchased a Peter Wright album on vinyl; the cover art was visually striking experimental photography that complemented the music extremely well.  Staring at a tiny picture file on ITunes would just not be the same experience (not to mention that, as a practical matter, I am more likely to reach for a physical CD (or LP) to play, as opposed to a virtual one, unless I am stranded on a subway).   For you old-timers, it’s hard to imagine Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon or Yes’ Close to the Edge without the 12”X12” album artwork that came with it.

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2010, 03:03:56 PM »
For you old-timers, it’s hard to imagine Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon or Yes’ Close to the Edge without the 12”X12” album artwork that came with it.

While I don't care too much about format, I have to agree that the visual side of Pink Floyd has always been a big part of their appeal.

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2010, 04:27:37 AM »
I agree - music used to have a much wider experience including other senses and pleasures.
Now it seems to be becoming mainly a cyber-experience.

I certainly would not choose cyber sex over the real kind....... :o

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2010, 04:44:55 AM »
Not to belabor this too much, but...

In the digital realm it is possible to provide a vast array of full size graphics including video.

Slate products such as the iPad will allow one to admire and look over full size graphics while they listen to their favorite tunes on a home music server or directly through the iPad.

Squeezebox, my home music server, has a web interface, which displays album graphics while the music is playing.  There are a bunch of third party products which can be used instead of the Logitech interface which also display album graphics.

Currently on each of my digital music files, I store at least a 600x600 graphic embedded into each file.   That art work is displayed on my remote and on my laptop or netbook as I listen to the file.  When I finally interface my computer with my HDTV, you can imagine what the album graphics experience might be.

In the future, with each digital album, the artist could choose to include the same high res graphics they might have included for an LP plus video plus future graphics formats that we can only imagine (3D?).  

Hell, if I want to physically handle the graphics, I could print them out.

Forrest, I hope you can embrace my enthusiasm for the future because I value your music output.

Take care.

Jim

PS I remember being blown away by Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon while sitting and lying on bunk bed in a dorm room in Baton Rouge in the mid-70's.  I think I bought a prism after looking at that LP cover.  A couple years later I saw PF in concert less than a block away.
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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2010, 12:52:54 PM »
In the digital realm it is possible to provide a vast array of full size graphics including video. Slate products such as the iPad will allow one to admire and look over full size graphics while they listen to their favorite tunes on a home music server or directly through the iPad.

This is true. However the devaluation of music in recent times also extends to the work of visual artists, who've been screwed (often their own fault) by the music biz (both corporate and "indie") for ages. Licensing hi-res visuals that are easily copied will be a nightmare.

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2010, 10:11:23 PM »
Well,I just bought from Amazon.ca a Spoons CD and Martha & the Muffins (2 amazing Canadian acts ) CD and 1 was $6.99 new and one was $10.99 new,less than on I-Tunes and I bought a recent Echochord CD in Montreal which was as an import less than the WAV download at Boomkat so right there,it seems that the CD pricing is more competitive than downloads-something wrong there.I do not think a CD should be more than $10- $12,that is a pressed CD.Since I do not buy CD-Rs anymore,the price there has no interest to me but I think $8-$10 is about right.

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2010, 09:12:14 AM »
Hey, how about this:

http://www.musicdna.info/

"Make music?

If you play in a band, make tracks or write symphonies, run a label or a publishing house then you can use musicDNA to map all your musical activity. You can share this on an event by event basis so you can keep some stuff private while pushing public data to your fans and customers. You can attach webpages, graphics, audio (in fact anything with a URL) to any topic in the index, letting you build a browseable index of your catalogue, gig listings and track downloads"

More info at:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/is-the-world-ready-for-the-successor-of-the-mp3/

I think the bottomline here is that there is progress toward making music files more informative and substantial, especially if you have some sort of slate device as a control or as a player.

I predict that in the future the CD will be delegated to the same status as vinyl is now.  But of course if one wants a CD, one can always burn one with your own purchased files.

I hope all my favorite artists will embrace the changes ahead.

Also I hope there's a lossless format.
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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2010, 02:18:42 PM »
Hey, how about this:

http://www.musicdna.info/



Did you read the comments? I think they say it all about this "innovation"  ;D

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2010, 03:39:55 AM »
I had not read the comments until you mentioned them.

Most of them are as expected negative but based on misunderstanding and lack of interest.

I, for one, would like the files to contain more info so that I could check lyrics and see graphics as I listen to music and control my system with a slate device.

The main downside as I see it is royalties for the use of the new file format.

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2010, 10:55:41 AM »
The main downside as I see it is royalties for the use of the new file format.

Bingo. Until this is sorted, I'm sticking with corporate work. I've always found corporations treat you better and more honourably than so many in the music industry, "indie" or otherwise.

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2010, 03:24:18 PM »
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The main downside as I see it is royalties for the use of the new file format.

Well, commenters mentioned downsides. Spaming and privacy for example.
Also, mp3 already can contain lyrics and artwork in it's file.

The only so called innovation is that DNA is "updatable" and personally to me it's just spamming stuff into your hard drive that average user do not need. Who watches artwork and reads the lyrics while listening music? Very very few. Some people even aren't at computer while music is playing.

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see graphics as I listen to music

you mean seeing album artwork or some visualisation, like in Winamp? You would rather watch at the screen and spend time watching graphics than just listening to music? I don't get it.

I am aware that different people has different preferences, but this function would satisfy really just minorities, in my opinion (also judging by comments bellow that article).

But maybe I just don't understand another great "innovation".  ??? Time will tell.

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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2010, 09:43:59 AM »

For you old-timers, it’s hard to imagine Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon or Yes’ Close to the Edge without the 12”X12” album artwork that came with it.


Enough of the old-timers thank you. :)   Agreed.   I miss the large-format artwork of
1970s LPs, but I wouldn't have space if my CDs were 12-inch vinyl.   The artwork was
part of the package, and sometimes could sway a purchase or not.  How can you
compare a glossy Aqua or study the notes for Alpha Centauri to that in a CD
(ignoring that Edgar Froese has `noodled' the music too)?  So I do treasure many
classic LPs for their artwork as well as the music.   Part of the pleasure of buying a
new LP was studying the album.   On CDs the small text overprinted on complex
patterns can be difficult to read for old-timers.

The modern booklet digipak can be quite artistic as, for example, CDs from the fine
Ultimae label demonstrate.

While I don't care too much about format, I have to agree that the visual side of Pink Floyd has always been a big part of their appeal.


Storm Thorgerson was in the UK news recently because of an exhibition of his cover
art in London.  http://www.ideageneration.co.uk/generationgallery.php
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Re: The price of CDs
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2010, 01:10:38 PM »
In the 80s and 90s CDs were overpriced in the UK.  There was some
feeble justification that they cost more to produce.  Typical rip-off Britain.

This was especially evident when I went to work in America for a few
years.   The prices of CDs in dollars were smaller numerically than they
were in pounds.  When you factor in the exchange rate we were paying
double.  Thanks to the Internet, the likes of Amazon, and supermarkets
selling music, retailers have been forced to reduce prices.  Chart albums
are typically around £9 ($13-18 depending on the exchange rate) rather
than £15 of last century.  Specialist music costs more.   The Internet does
at least allow you to find the best prices.

Upon my return to the UK I vowed not to pay more than £10 per CD and
£16 for a double.  This means that sometimes I miss out on some music
I'd like, or have to delay my purchase years until a sale or a second-hand
copy comes along. On the plus side the threshold means I can explore
more music within my total budget.  This was important as I had lots of
ambient and adult instrumental to explore, and a generation of electronic
music to catch up on.  Price does have an impact when buying 200 to 300
per year.  I've pared that somewhat, and perhaps I should make some
allowance for eight years' inflation... 

To answer the original question, paying $11-14 is fine.  More than that
combined with postage I'm more hesitant.   I do try to bundle two or three
CDs per order from the USA for better overall value.  The recent decline of
the pound makes ordering less attractive.  It's harder not to exceed the
maximum tax-free import level.  So I may postpone orders until the pound
is back to a reasonable $1.70.

While you usually get what you pay for, some cheap deals are fine, say
if vendors are clearing out old stock or have multi-CD sale offers, or it's
a promotional sampler.
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Re: The price of CDs (CD as VIP subscription item?)
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2010, 06:45:14 PM »
Old topic, but I've found something interesting I think.
Since CD sales are dropping, one label has found possible solution to it.
We read:
"The US synthpop label A Different Drum (ADD) is exploring a new way to keep the new music flowing in physical, CD format from said label. The label launched the program in order to keep the avid CD collectors happy. As a VIP subscriber, you would pay $10 per month ($12 for overseas) for one CD release per month (automatically billed at the end of the month). Only 200 - 300 people will be allowed into this program. That means that only the VIP's and the band would receive the physical CD, and it would be instantly out-of-print."
More info here: http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=44965_0_2_0_C
and label website: http://www.adifferentdrum.com/blog/

Is it really a future for CD? I wonder if this would work for ambient music labels like Hypnos?
Mike, did you consider this? Probably too early for that. Fortunately... ;)

BTW, I've found also this short article titled "Rebirth of the cassette?":
http://truecultheavymetal.com/index.php/dominion/2010/08/05/rebirth-of-the-cassette
Probably works only for noise and power electronics scene, not ambient.
Unless someone really likes that warm analog hisssss... ;)

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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2010, 11:10:18 PM »
I do not see an end in itself to preserve the cd as format besides that the labels want to get earn money. The labels refuse to listen to the people what they want...they still want to force us to buy cds,... If people do not want cd as format they should not be forced to buy it.
Personally I prefer FLAC, it is green and environmental friendly, more efficient also no need to pay extra money for shipping, which is for us international buyers often the same price as the cd itself.  Think what you want, but there should ALWAYS be the alternative to buy it digitally, and please do not offer mp3s, I will not pay one  single dollar for an mp3! I want lossless cd quality nothing more nothing less.  And since it is flac why not offer it in 24 bit too ?