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Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2010, 08:32:33 PM »
there was an opening act that featured a fellow sitting next to his laptop smoking cigarettes as his Reason sequence played unaided. I think that was pushing live performance envelope a bit too far.

He's like the Andy Kaufman of ambient...

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« Reply #61 on: June 08, 2010, 08:40:25 PM »
That almost made me spit tea all over my laptop...that was funny Judd!
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« Reply #62 on: June 08, 2010, 09:10:47 PM »
Don't worry Paul, you won't be needing it... :P ;D

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« Reply #63 on: June 08, 2010, 09:44:01 PM »
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a fellow sitting next to his laptop smoking cigarettes as his Reason sequence played unaided.
Mark, I could have sworn he pressed the space bar at least once! And maybe that was a Marlboro Midi Controller? Beta version of course.

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« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2010, 03:54:26 AM »
Somehow I never valued John Diliberto's views, opinions and work on Echoes as important or vital.  For me it has an elite, wise-guy mentality that didn't stroke with my vision at the time and it still does.
His unfounded thoughts on how music needs to be performed is another proof on how he values and looks at music from his state of mind.
That said, time for some constructive thoughts  ;)

I too in my vidna years, along with Steve, worked (when computers were still too unreliable to use in live settings) with pre-recorded sources (on cd, using several cd players at once) which we then treated live through a maze of effects and processing devices.  Rhythms were most of the time multi-track constructions and therefor impossible to reproduce live.
Even then you had to rely on your focus and instinct in the heat of the moment because a lot of things could go wrong.
It was still fascinating though to work with this kind of set-up as you could easily realize every time a different flow, structure and atmosphere.  Live it was while you were able to reproduce your music world as closely as possible to the albums and the music you were known for.

I must admit as well that I myself in the past couple of years returned to the most basic, personal and minimal with my Microphonics project.  Stripping down the tools and going back to the core has been for me personally a true liberation.
In the context of playing live, creating the music on the spot, this has been all the more relaxing and focused as it gave the ability to limit my set-up to only just one guitar, a few pedal effects and a small tube amplifier.  And amazingly the music I've been able to carve out has more expression, atmosphere and emotion that on some of the most complicated vidnaObmana works from the past.

I personally never have been intriguied and motivated to work with a laptop on stage but I do can relate to the idea that artists need that tool in order to shape the specific tonality their music needs to have.
Even with a laptop, although I'm completely out of the loop on these software possibilities, I'm sure you can do a lot of great things live without being static or giving the audience the impression you're just checking your emails during the live set  ;)




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« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2010, 07:49:13 PM »
Somehow I never valued John Diliberto's views, opinions and work on Echoes as important or vital.  For me it has an elite, wise-guy mentality that didn't stroke with my vision at the time and it still does.
His unfounded thoughts on how music needs to be performed is another proof on how he values and looks at music from his state of mind.
...

This whole conversation, the critic versus the artist, brings to mind something I read over 20 years ago that has stuck with me ever since. So I will don my asbestos underwear and throw this out for what it's worth...

"It is a melancholy experience for a professional mathematician to find himself writing about mathematics. The function of a mathematician is to do something, to prove new theorems, to add to mathematics, and not to talk about what he or other mathematicians have done. Statesmen despise publicists, painters despise art-critics, and physiologists, physicists, or mathematicians have usually similar feelings: there is no scorn more profound, or on the whole more justifiable, than that of the men who make for the men who explain. Exposition, criticism, appreciation, is work for second-rate minds."

G.H. Hardy, A Mathematician's Apology

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Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2010, 08:21:52 PM »
This is a very interesting subject!

As I have seen a few ambient music concerts, or electronic music concerts, I am always left a bit perplexed by the live experience. I think that what we come to "see" at a live concert is the performer in action. It is vitally important for the artist to perform visually as much sonically. Before the age of modern technology, we came to see people play real instruments because we understood what a gift it is to be both proficient and musical. Seeing somebody play and convey both the virtuosity and emotional intensity is what makes a great live performance.

I think that for electronic musicians, especially ambient artists there needs to be something to visually connect with. Whether that be the artist playing an instrument that people can directly connect to the sound, or a visual presentation that can draw the audience's attention into while the music is being generated.

Robert Rich has two instruments that people can really focus in on. The flutes and the lap steel guitar. I think that bringing those elements out to the foreground more would really stimulate the emotional connection to what is going on.

Vidna,

Love the comments about Diliberto....







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« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2010, 11:48:43 PM »
I just got back from seeing Robert live at the da gallery in Pamona and it was a full house too. In addition to his usual flutes he played a little dog whistle sized flute that had a suprisingly broad range, for fun he also whipped out a circular beaded thing that sounded sort of like a mini-rainstick, a  waterphone, and a couple of small bells. I love the way he segues from tune to tune and also some of the interesting sounds he conjures up from his small modular synth. I haven't been under a blacklight in years and the whole place was under their spell with lots of interesting florescently painted art plus some lazer lighting going on and more slithering light stuff overhead. He played a few pieces from ylang which I'm listening to now, love this CD!

I'm glad he came down from the mountain to play for us mere mortals.  :)

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« Reply #69 on: June 20, 2010, 03:22:51 AM »

I too in my vidna years, along with Steve, worked (when computers were still too unreliable to use in live settings) with pre-recorded sources (on cd, using several cd players at once) which we then treated live through a maze of effects and processing devices.  Rhythms were most of the time multi-track constructions and therefor impossible to reproduce live.
Even then you had to rely on your focus and instinct in the heat of the moment because a lot of things could go wrong.
It was still fascinating though to work with this kind of set-up as you could easily realize every time a different flow, structure and atmosphere.  Live it was while you were able to reproduce your music world as closely as possible to the albums and the music you were known for.


I attended and enjoyed some of these shows back then, and I never thought this was just mimicking a concert, based on some pre-recorded stuff because there was a lot going on which was absolutely live and attention-grabbing.

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Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2010, 11:04:39 AM »
Anybody here attending the Portland show at Clinton Street Theater this coming Thursday?
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Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2010, 11:22:07 AM »
No responses, but I just wanted to remind anyone in the Portland area who may be considering checking out Robert Rich... the show's tonight at Clinton Street Theater, door opens at 8, show starts at 9.

I just spoke to Robert and he indicated the posters say the show will start earlier than that, so it's possible he'll start playing early.  Also the posters say the price is $15, and that's just the advance price.  Tickets at the door will be $20.  Come on out and support Robert if you can! 

I know I'm looking forward to being there.  Lena has a bad cold, but will come along if she can, and I think Dave Fulton will be there too.  If anybody from here on the forum sees us, come up and say "hi."
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« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2010, 11:57:17 AM »
I had this impression there was quite a batch of ambienteers in Portland (and on this forum). 

Anyway - everyone in the Toronto audience for the 1st show of the tour
seemed very happy with the performance. Some were ecstatic!
(and it was $25 at the door.)

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Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2010, 12:22:47 PM »
There are quite a lot of ambient-folk here in Portland, and I expect to see some of them there.  I know of at least one Hypnos artist who has to work tonight, and another who won't attend for health reasons.  It's also possible Lena may not make it as she's fighting the same gruesome cold I'm just getting over.
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Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2010, 03:42:31 PM »
Nooooooooo, I'm going! I'm going!

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« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2010, 07:13:10 PM »
I like Vidna's comments about Diliberto, this is my assessment as well.  Back in 1999 I wrote a "complaint letter" to Tower Pulse (Tower's free magazine) about Diliberto's reviews, wherein he had stopped reviewing space music and incessantly talked about/reviewed Lisa Gerrard.  She's great, of course, but his review column was turning into the Lisa Gerrard shrine. Anyways, to me he was never what I would call a "hardcore" supporter of E-music and his reviews were always somewhat geared toward the "consumer" instead of the "fan."  A much better music critic was Linda Kohanov, who used to write for Pulse.  Her reviews usually got at the heart of the music in an intuitive way.

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« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2010, 01:54:19 AM »

A much better music critic was Linda Kohanov, who used to write for Pulse.  Her reviews usually got at the heart of the music in an intuitive way.


I guess that´s why Steve married her :). On a more serious note, I´ve always had the impression that the whole Echoes thing was a bit elitist and snobbish, like a club you are allowed to join... or not. I´ve had enough of that sort of thing over here in Germany, no need for me to be bothered by something similar on the other side of the Big Pond.

At some point I stopped sending promos to Mr. D. as he wouldn´t care anyway.

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« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2010, 09:29:24 AM »
If you haven't read the comments on John's blog take a look. I wrote that I noticed he is broadcasting Robert Rich’s Echos session that he mentioned in his article. I then said perhaps in honor of this he should change the name of his show to “Echos Minus One.” ;D

John wrote back saying he saw the irony and also mentioned he saw the thread going on here.

On a more positive note about Echo's if you get their podcast they just released a retrospective on Robert that is pretty good. Its a free download you can get it in the iTunes store, worth a listen.
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Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2010, 10:24:30 AM »
I'm not going to go so far as to trash John Diliberto just because Echoes focuses on more melodic and "musical" material than most ambient.  I mean, look at the emphasis on Enya, Dead Can Dance, R. Carlos Nakai, and Loreena McKennitt on his playlists over the years.  Certainly more of that kind of material than the sounds we discuss here.  It's a bit like being pissed off that American Idol doesn't have enough ambient music on it.  It's a fairly different focus that only occasionally crosses over into ambient territory.

At times, Echoes has been quite supportive of artists like Robert Rich, Jeff Pearce, and a few others we'd claim as our own.  On the other hand, when we mail a Hypnos promo CD to Echoes, or Hearts of Space radio for that matter, we realize that if it's not on the melodic, structured, "conventionally musical" side of things, it probably isn't going to get played.

We had a great time at Robert's show last night, by the way.  I imagine Robert would have preferred a larger crowd, but it wasn't too small, and I had the sense everyone really enjoyed it.  Robert's good about chatting with people before and after the show, and it seemed that a lot of people in the audience knew each other.  I expected several individuals to be there who didn't or couldn't make it for one reason or another, but we saw Phil Derby (the Electroambient Space reviewer/blogger) and Howard Givens of Spotted Peccary, along with various other familiar faces.  Lena overcame her cold and was able to come along, and really enjoyed it.

As to the big debate about prerecorded materials, Robert's performance came off about as I would have expected.  Undeniably there are prerecorded elements, but to me it never felt like miming or karaoke.  A sufficient amount of what the audience heard was performed live, and Robert always kept busy, not only playing various instruments but also tweaking the mix and his modular synth along the way.  It helps that the lights and video display were interesting and complemented the music, and also that the sound quality of the performance was very good.

I would definitely recommend seeing Robert live to anybody who has a chance, on this tour's last stop in Seattle, or on subsequent tours. 
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Re: Robert Rich Tour Blog
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2010, 10:29:50 AM »
If you haven't read the comments on John's blog take a look. I wrote that I noticed he is broadcasting Robert Rich’s Echos session that he mentioned in his article. I then said perhaps in honor of this he should change the name of his show to “Echos Minus One.” ;D

John wrote back saying he saw the irony and also mentioned he saw the thread going on here.

On a more positive note about Echo's if you get their podcast they just released a retrospective on Robert that is pretty good. Its a free download you can get it in the iTunes store, worth a listen.


I have no doubt John considers himself a supporter of Robert's music, even at the same time he's holding up Robert as an example of shortchanging the audience with karaoke style live performances.  Echoes always seems to do Living Room Concerts with Robert, interview him, feature his music, and even did a "top recommended Robert Rich albums" thing on their blog -- no Hypnos RR releases on the list, though, so it was obviously misguided and ill-informed.  ;)

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