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Spoof audiophile reviews
« on: June 08, 2010, 03:25:50 AM »
Whilst checking out snake oil/valid opinions on the merits of HiFi interconnects. I came across this gem:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/product-reviews/B000I1X6PM/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Nice one  :D
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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 08:20:24 AM »
That's almost as funny as the thousands of reviews for "gallon of milk."  Actually it's better, in that overpriced cables deserve the slap-down even more than mail-order milk!
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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 09:20:59 AM »
So Mike,

I take it you're not one of the 'gold-pressed-latinum-fairydust' brigade ? :)

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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2010, 09:32:02 AM »
No, not at all.  I believe the audiophile thing is tricky.  There really IS value to equipment beyond the mass-market Sony, Technics, Pioneer kind of stuff.  I've argued with plenty of people who insist there's no difference between the sound of equipment once you get over a couple hundred dollars, and I insist there is a "sweet spot" where you can get better sound for not too much money.

When you get into $3,000 power line conditioners, extravagant interconnects and speaker cables, some of the really esoteric stuff you find in high-end audiophile magazines... well, at some point the audiophile world transitions over into high comedy, and the joke is totally lost on the "true believers" in the middle of it all.
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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2010, 10:23:47 AM »
LOl....reminds me of the debates going on in the hi-def forums where people say that just buying cheap little ol $4 HDMI cables will do one....That might be the case, but for some that understand ethernet cabling and the evolution it's taking for gigabyte speeds, etc...then those cheapo $4 cables are not going to muster for the new HDMI 1.4a spec that has to carry 3D information...that why I like to know the actual speed that the cable is capble of, etc.....
so why I will spend about $60-80 on good HDMI cables when carrying both hi-def video and audio across one cable...
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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2010, 12:16:30 PM »
That's Great!! I was in the Hi-Fi business for about 15 years back in the '80's and early '90's. It was really a crazy business with all kinds of outrageous claims being made. Car audio was the most ridiculous. We used to get power amps from Korea and Malaysia with unbelievable power ratings (not RMS). We used to joke about such and such amp being 500 watts ILS (If Lightning Strikes) or 500 watts BICF (Before It Catches Fire).  ;D
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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2010, 12:43:15 PM »
LOl....reminds me of the debates going on in the hi-def forums where people say that just buying cheap little ol $4 HDMI cables will do one....That might be the case, but for some that understand ethernet cabling and the evolution it's taking for gigabyte speeds, etc...then those cheapo $4 cables are not going to muster for the new HDMI 1.4a spec that has to carry 3D information...that why I like to know the actual speed that the cable is capble of, etc.....
so why I will spend about $60-80 on good HDMI cables when carrying both hi-def video and audio across one cable...


If you have a non-3D television, and a PS3 or BluRay or HD cable/satellite box, and the $7 or less HDMI cable works perfectly, why in the world would you buy an $80 HDMI cable?  What kind of 3D information do you think you're going to be carrying between your non-3D player and your non-3D television that requires such a cable? 

Call me crazy, but if I spend thousands of dollars on 3D video gear five years from now, and my existing $7 HDMI cable doesn't work, THEN I'll buy a higher-end HDMI cable.  Future-proofing is fine, except when you're overpaying 10x for no immediate reason.

Monster Cable and Best Buy love your mindset, though.
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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2010, 12:44:26 AM »
I was never rich enough to get into esoteric Hi-Fi. I got a £250 technics CD player and £400 amp in 1999. They sound a lot better than the turntable set up I had in the 70's which was most probably about the same cost.

Changing speaker cables did make a surprising difference and then I got ex demo JMLab cobalt 816 speakers a few years back and that made a HUGE difference.....

So there is truth in there somewhere.

Made me think about synths and if anyone uses audiophile components in making them.


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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 02:35:07 AM »
Whilst checking out snake oil/valid opinions on the merits of HiFi interconnects. I came across this gem:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/product-reviews/B000I1X6PM/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Nice one  :D
Pete


How about the wooden volume knob that is supposed to improve sound quality:

http://boingboing.net/2005/11/07/astronomically-overp.html


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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 06:29:16 PM »

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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2010, 09:58:58 PM »
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Oi06md947_oJ:www.malcolmsteward.co.uk/%3Fp%3D2479+http://www.malcolmsteward.co.uk/%3Fp%3D2479&cd=1&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se


"Quite what it is that wrought these improvements I do not know."

Believing they would be better before you listened to them?  :P

Please... He's an audiophile=he knows what he's talking about.
His website includes many useful tips.

In Tuning Tip #3 we read:
"Before connecting any cable to your system, give it a firm, robust shake. Grab hold of one end of the lead and shake it for a couple of minutes before you connect it to your system.
The process must – I suppose – do something to the molecular structure of the conductors, dielectric or insulation. What that is I do not know, nor do I care, but it has worked many times in my system."
Quark-shaker; if you try really hard you may turn it into gold, changing molecular properties of the cable. Shake it!

In Tuning Tip #2 we read:
"(...) I took four empty CD cases and placed one under each foot of the pre-amplifier. This restored the music’s rhythmic bounce and vitality and made the sound that fraction more transparent – it became easier to listen into dense mixes."
See!? Easy and very useful!
Now I know the future of a CD. Or at least the future of CD cases.

I think those tips can be used in ambient music, too.
Combining those two tips, I can burn a CDR with my mixes, put it inside the CD case, shake it really well (or jump on it in case of dark ambient - to get rid of too heavy reverb) and copy data back to hard drive. Easy mastering!
The mixes will gain clarity, vitality and become more transparent. I wish I knew that before... ;)

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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2010, 04:27:33 PM »
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Oi06md947_oJ:www.malcolmsteward.co.uk/%3Fp%3D2479+http://www.malcolmsteward.co.uk/%3Fp%3D2479&cd=1&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se


"Quite what it is that wrought these improvements I do not know."

Believing they would be better before you listened to them?  :P

Please... He's an audiophile=he knows what he's talking about.
His website includes many useful tips.

In Tuning Tip #3 we read:
"Before connecting any cable to your system, give it a firm, robust shake. Grab hold of one end of the lead and shake it for a couple of minutes before you connect it to your system.
The process must – I suppose – do something to the molecular structure of the conductors, dielectric or insulation. What that is I do not know, nor do I care, but it has worked many times in my system."
Quark-shaker; if you try really hard you may turn it into gold, changing molecular properties of the cable. Shake it!


Aha! That's the solution for when we read on this forum about poorly mixed/mastered CDs/CDRs. They just need a good shake, then they'll sound fine.

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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2010, 06:10:58 AM »
Giving me a good shake can often help me sound better.

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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2010, 09:42:17 PM »
Whilst checking out snake oil/valid opinions on the merits of HiFi interconnects. I came across this gem:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/product-reviews/B000I1X6PM/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Nice one  :D
Pete


How about the wooden volume knob that is supposed to improve sound quality:

http://boingboing.net/2005/11/07/astronomically-overp.html


Hey, that knob looks pretty nice. ;)
OK, I wouldn't mind if someone is just announcing this miraculous effect on audio quality of your system.
Fine, I can pull out the knob from my kitchen cabinet (while wife is away, that is) and replace regular, distorting knob in my amp.
Maybe I will hear the difference...  ::)
But it should be announced as DIY project, not charging $485 for the mighty knobs.
I was so amused by those knobs that I did dig out the matching potentiometer called "Silver Rock Potentiometer".
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RAM&Category_Code=VOLUME
Only $6820.

Or maybe this wonder?
http://www.audio-consulting.ch/?Parts:Woodlenses
"(...)The wood used is a very slow growing and extremely hard precious wood growing in Switzerland, lathed and polished by very sophisticated processes.(..)"
I'm sure of that. Hint: it's a beech wood.

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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2010, 03:06:46 AM »

Crazy ! Oh for such ears.

The shaking advice seems sound though and a libation to the Gods does no harm either...

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Re: Spoof audiophile reviews
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2010, 12:17:55 PM »
Whilst checking out snake oil/valid opinions on the merits of HiFi interconnects. I came across this gem:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/product-reviews/B000I1X6PM/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Nice one  :D
Pete


Years ago I read a review in a hi-fi mag of a base to put under a turntable to dampen out vibration. I couldn't help laughing when they mentioned that it was even supposed to stop seismic vibrations. Like the turntable is going to be your concern if there's an earthquake!

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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2010, 09:08:33 AM »
my personal experience: expensive cables can really improve the quality, and the esoteric hi-fi is pure heaven if you decide to put some money in it.
Forget all those crazy reviews about "miracles" or wooden volume knobs, you must use your ears and decide. There is huge world beyond Sony, Technics or Marantz, or MP3 and computers.
My recent move to tube amplifiers and Nordost cables has been expensive but the difference is astounding.

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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2010, 09:40:18 AM »
my personal experience: expensive cables can really improve the quality, and the esoteric hi-fi is pure heaven if you decide to put some money in it.
Forget all those crazy reviews about "miracles" or wooden volume knobs, you must use your ears and decide. There is huge world beyond Sony, Technics or Marantz, or MP3 and computers.
My recent move to tube amplifiers and Nordost cables has been expensive but the difference is astounding.


Within reasonable limits of course...

But tube amplifier especially for headphones are really good for some phones..

This one is said to be good for my DT880 Headphones..

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2010, 09:45:51 AM »
There are of course benefits to true, artisan-quality audio gear, versus cheap, mass-market electronics of the kind Campus Stellae mentioned.  Of course this doesn't mean increases in cost, or exotic claims, always mean improved sound quality.

Some tube amps are truly beautiful, and yet a lot of junk equipment has been released with a vacuum tube stuck on top, along with an elevated price, in order to draw in suckers who think anything with a tube is superior to anything solid state.
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