Author Topic: What's up with SEO, anyway?  (Read 3065 times)

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What's up with SEO, anyway?
« on: July 29, 2010, 02:25:18 PM »
Most Hypnos Forum members and lurkers probably don't realize this, but for years now we've been flooded with "fake" member signups on this forum.  Sure, some people sign up for accounts because they actually want to post here and participate in subjects relevant to this board, but far more people sign up because they want to post spam and disappear.  A newer "trick" is signing up for an account and never posting anything, merely creating a membership with "spammy" links in your profile, so that Google's web-crawlers will see instances of those links and thus their placement in search engines will be better.

This is known as Search Engine Optimization, or SEO.  Before people started getting savvy to it (and even now, in some places) people would go around and create zillions of memberships and comments and blog postings and all kinds of other "presences" on the web, for no other purpose than to get these web links visible in as many places as possible.  Because if you post links to www.pornnnsite.com in five billion places on the web, then any google search for any term relevant to that site will tend to "rank" that site higher than others with the same term relevance.  In other words, if you have a site and want it to show up well on google searches, you might resort to this kind of disgusting, spammy trick to get people to find your sire.

All this background is for those of you who don't know what SEO is, or maybe you've just wondered why very often the front page displays a newest member name of "AmbientGuy" one minute, then the newest member is "Spammer99," then minutes later (after I've deleted Spammer99's account) the newest member is once again "AmbientGuy."

What I'm really posting this for is because I figure someone reading this must know more about the subject than me, and I'm really wondering whether this sort of activity really works.  I mean, is it really lucrative to pay teenagers in Indonesia or Ukraine to sign up for forums and message boards, and spread your web links around all day long?  It just doesn't seem like it can possibly be worthwhile monetarily, and maybe the only reason people are still doing it is because they haven't yet realized they're not REALLY going to get rich (same reason people try selling Amway or Cookie Lee or Tupperware).  If somebody knows better, tell me I'm wrong, and these people are actually pulling down a decent amount of money, setting up forum accounts and putting www.erectiledisfonction.com links in there, and then moving on to the next forum.

It's so annoying, deleting five or ten or fifteen new memberships every day.  I've managed to at least prevent the "bot" signups, automated computer programs that sign up without any human being involved, but it's tough to prevent somebody from setting up this kind of "junk" account. 
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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2010, 09:23:58 PM »
Yes, it pays, but the process doesn't really require that many people.  One or two college kids can crank out most of the new posts.  Once you raise your visibility on the search engines you don't need to resort to this crap as much.  I'm a member at a local FM radio station's forum, and they get a ton of this crap.  Every - single - day.  They don't do nearly as well at cleaning it up as you.  (The tip-off there is when a Philadelphia FM radio station gets new forum members that claim to be from Kazakhstan.)

A lot of the spammers don't bother to post, they just have the links in their profile.

But some of them do put up a token post.  Sometimes with gibberish, sometimes with a cute graphic or random fact, and then  a link.  Maybe the link is a harmless (but spammy) way to generate traffic.  Or maybe you'll land on a hacked site and get a drive-by virus infection.
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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 05:49:24 AM »
The http://relaxedmachinery.ning.com site has been really lucky as we haven't gotten a huge influx of spam members - I'm really pleased by that.

My http://relaxedmachinery.com Wordpress Blog though...ha!  I turned off comments... it's horrid.   Every single day on all the old posts I haven't gone in and manually turned comments off for yet I get spam notes.  Some look quite 'real'.   The links give them away.

On Twitter - same thing - you'll get a ton of people suddently following you because you posted the wrong word...  which is irritating and takes a bit to go through and block them.   
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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 08:07:54 AM »
The http://relaxedmachinery.ning.com site has been really lucky as we haven't gotten a huge influx of spam members - I'm really pleased by that.

My http://relaxedmachinery.com Wordpress Blog though...ha!  I turned off comments... it's horrid.   Every single day on all the old posts I haven't gone in and manually turned comments off for yet I get spam notes.  Some look quite 'real'.   The links give them away.

On Twitter - same thing - you'll get a ton of people suddently following you because you posted the wrong word...  which is irritating and takes a bit to go through and block them.   


Hi there JKN...
Imagineer Records uses wordpress blog software too and I too was recieving a ton of that spam crap, but I turned on askimet spam filter and boy...this plugin works like a champ....thought I would pass that little bit of info along for you...
anyone can still post comments if they like, but I got it to approve first after askimet has elimanted 99% of the spam though...most of the comments now days are legal comments..
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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 09:14:16 AM »
This morning banned/deleted only ONE new SEO spammer:  mannypaul15

Maybe the SEO scumbags read this thread and got scared off?

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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2010, 11:49:35 AM »
hey - thanks on the spam filter on wordpress...  why did I never turn that on?   I will.  thanks!
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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 12:18:17 PM »
Akismet is outstanding, and there's also another plugin that forces commenters to complete a simple math problem.  I've got them both implemented on my version of WP and I hardly ever get spam.

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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 12:20:28 PM »
Akismet is outstanding, and there's also another plugin that forces commenters to complete a simple math problem.  I've got them both implemented on my version of WP and I hardly ever get spam.

Damn!   I could never post.    ???      ;)

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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 12:30:50 PM »
Akismet is outstanding, and there's also another plugin that forces commenters to complete a simple math problem.  I've got them both implemented on my version of WP and I hardly ever get spam.

Damn!   I could never post.    ???      ;)

I use to be really good at math. Hmm, hey Scott want to hire me to get you in all those WP forums so you can post your ambient spam?  ;D
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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 02:18:36 PM »
shad7mathis89 signed up just to taunt me.

http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=1318

I wish there was something I could do to make their lives harder, other than just immediately ban and delete them.
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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 02:21:37 PM »
If you have the money, I know someone who will hunt them down like dogs. 8)
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Re: What's up with SEO, anyway?
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 06:04:23 PM »
Akismet is outstanding, and there's also another plugin that forces commenters to complete a simple math problem.  I've got them both implemented on my version of WP and I hardly ever get spam.

Damn!   I could never post.    ???      ;)

I use to be really good at math. Hmm, hey Scott want to hire me to get you in all those WP forums so you can post your ambient spam?  ;D

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