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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2010, 03:31:13 AM »
I can see the appeal of vinyl as 'art object', but I always felt that static
ruined ambient (and choral music). An album like 'The Pearl' played on vinyl
didn't do it any favours, as I found the static very distracting.

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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2010, 08:39:55 PM »
I agree with the current trends in mixing and remastering -- go to YouTube and search on "Loudness War."  I got Love's Forever Changes album on CD when it first came out and it sounded great -- when it was remastered and expanded I picked up another copy for the extra songs.  The remastered CD sounds terrible!  All of the subtlety is gone -- the cymbals are as loud as the drums, are as loud as the guitars, are as loud as the vocals, all the way through the album.

I started picking up LPs again a few years ago, when I got into the hobby of recording them to CD and cleaning them up in the computer.  Mostly I go to charity thrift stores, but I get to the Princeton Record Exchange a couple times a year.  The CDs sound great and I get stuff on my MP3 players that hasn't been released to CD (yet) -- or "remastered."  (And I get it pretty cheap!  ;D )

Interestingly enough, the software I use to "restore" the music has settings that emulate various vacuum tube based amplifiers, if I want to go that route.
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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2010, 04:24:10 PM »
What does it cost per unit for a 7" or 12" pressing?

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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2010, 06:37:11 AM »
"From the past" information:  It wasn't the costo of the pressing that broke us, it was the cost of having them shipped to us from the pressing company.
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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2010, 09:44:26 AM »
What does it cost per unit for a 7" or 12" pressing?

Jesse, it varies hugely depending on the weight of the vinyl, and especially on the packaging.

You might be able to get super-basic 12" vinyl in a plain white or black sleeve with a punch-out so you can read the label on the disc (but otherwise, no printing on the cardboard sleeve) for $2,000 for 500 discs, or $4 each.

Stepping up to 180 gram vinyl, or colored vinyl, and full-color gatefold packaging with any kind of printed, color inserts at all, you could very easily climb beyond $6,000 to press 500 discs with packaging... $12 each.

It's not hard to find a quote for a shorter run, say 300 copies, with full deluxe options, that pushes the unit cost over $20 each!

From what I've seen, the difference between 7" and 12" is similar to the difference between mini-CD and regular CDs, which is to say not as much as you'd think. If you're pressing large numbers (thousands) then 7" end up being quite a bit cheaper. I seem to recall playing around with the quote generator at the web site of one of the big vinyl pressing places, and coming up with a simple, plain paper sleeve 7" that came close to $1 per unit in larger quantities. There may be ultra-cheap shorter-run 7" pressing options but I haven't really been looking that direction.
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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2010, 10:16:52 AM »
My turntable arrived today, and yesterday I pulled out the remainder of my vinyl collection, not counting the recently-received vinyl demos I'd received from a few ambient/experimental artists.

Going through my remaining albums (just 50 or so), it looks as if I sold off records as I replaced them with CDs, so most of my favorite old records are gone. I have a bunch of 12" singles and odd stuff people must have given me (I don't remember buying Spyro Gyra, Yellowjackets or David Sanborn!). It'll be fun to play through these, and I'll probably go try to find used copies of the albums I remember playing a lot, for nostalgia's sake: Queen - A Night at the Opera, Rush - Moving Pictures, Kraftwerk - Computer World.
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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2011, 01:34:17 PM »
I went down to Everyday Music, one of the best record stores in Portland, and it was fun to browse through vinyl rather than CDs for a change. I didn't have anything in particular I was looking for, but just wanted to check things out since I hadn't looked through the vinyl section of any store in probably 20 years.

One thing I noticed immediately is that original, decades-old used vinyl tends to be quite cheap still, with plenty of good records available for $1-3, and mint used copies of classics for $5-6.  Then there's this HUGE jump in price to new pressings which are $20 minimum, and much more often $24-30, with plenty of records in the $40-75 range for multi-disc sets.  This creates a fairly odd market where you can pick up used items for less than 1/10 the price of new items, whereas usually used records or CDs are discounted by 25-50% from new. I was not surprised at the number of $25-40 new records (having seen them online and read about them in catalogs even if I wasn't in the market at the time) but what surprised me was how many good old records are available extremely cheap. After joking on Facebook and Twitter that I was listening to the 2nd Howard Jones album but wished it was his 1st album, I looked for a copy of Human's Lib and found one... for a buck. The sleeve is stained but the record is in perfectly good condition.

I certainly don't plan to re-buy my CD collection on vinyl (especially since I re-bought my old vinyl collection on CD, plus a thousand or two more) but it's fun to put something like The Human League's Dare album on the turntable.  Unquestionably there's a significant nostalgia component at work here, but that's OK. It's fun!
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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2011, 08:38:10 AM »
Here's a little video I shot of my vinyl release. Feel the love. . .



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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2011, 04:06:28 PM »
Here's a little video I shot of my vinyl release. Feel the love. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcphJ7U7FU

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Thomas, what did a vinyl pressing cost you?  How many did you press?
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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2011, 04:11:41 PM »
Oh! Jesse, I am sorry.

The pressing was simply of 300 12" on blue vinyl with a pretty cheap (but colorful) jacket.

As for the expense, I am not sure. It was pressed in Germany by Droehnhaus Records. Alwin, the proprietor, did not share his paperwork with me. Sadly, he and I had some issues, regarding the future of my act, and we parted company.

That especially makes me sad as the 12" is one of the favorite things I got to do. (also the HSS release, of course).

Sorry I could not be more informative.
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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2011, 04:13:17 PM »
Whipped out some vinyl last night...

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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2011, 04:15:00 PM »
Thomas, that's too bad it didn't work out for you guys.

I wasn't aware you had not only released on vinyl BUT ALSO an import... and colored vinyl.  Neat!

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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2011, 04:24:06 PM »
Thanks Jesse! I sure enjoyed hearing the music in a different way.
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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2011, 02:47:32 PM »
What I really like about vinyl...
I spent $12 at a Goodwill yesterday.  I got 3 best of(s) The Doors, Janis Joplin and Marvin Gaye.  Also Eric Clapton's 1st solo, Journey "Infinity" and David Bowie "Ziggy Stardust".  All excellent condition.

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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2011, 06:13:32 PM »
I can see the appeal of vinyl as 'art object', but I always felt that static
ruined ambient (and choral music). An album like 'The Pearl' played on vinyl
didn't do it any favours, as I found the static very distracting.


I go Eno's Apollo on vinyl shortly after it was released, and the pressing was so atrocious that the static drowned out all the fine, very low amplitude stuff that is going on almost completely.  I even took it back and exchanged it but the replacement was equally noisy.

There was great rejoicing when it finally came out on CD sometime later.

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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2011, 09:06:32 AM »

I have a simillar version of this... :-)   and a ton of others.  Colored vinyl was never my favorite - but a lot of the limited edition 12" from dm were on swirly colored vinyl. 

Whipped out some vinyl last night...

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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2011, 09:07:56 AM »


Ok - so when do we get to start having a serious talk about vinyl halloween costumes and such?

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Re: Can we have a serious talk about vinyl?
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2011, 10:05:08 AM »
Jesse's facebook lately has been nothing but "Look at these pictures of all my cool new colored vinyl."  ;)
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