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Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2014, 12:30:07 PM »
At the bottom end of the headphone scale... i recently bought a set of the current Apple iPhone earbuds to update the ones that came with my iPhone4S and they have a much more balanced response with less highend edge. A great $30 upgrade for portable listening if you have an older iPhone.

In the studio I still use the AKG K240 as it's a sound I like and know (and I don't like cans that rest on my ears). Always test on the buds too though. The headphone out on my RME Fireface UCX is quite good for a small interface that you can easily gig with.

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Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2014, 05:21:51 PM »
Being a DT 770 Pro (250 Ohm) user for many years, i was recently looking for a second headphone to double check mixes. So, I´ve ordered for a test:

:: Focal Spirit Pro

:: Shure SRH 940

The Focal looks very stable and HQ made but unfortunately it´s not an over-ear model. The ear-pressure of this closed HP is quite heavy and makes the wearing uncomfortable after 10 minutes already. Mid and high end are sounding very neutral to my ears but the bass definitely lacks power and definition. Spending an hour with this HP was enough to return it back.

The Shure is a closed over-ear model and very pleasant to wear (even for many hours). Though, it doesn´t look stable like the Focal and my DT…it feels more like a DJ HP with a lot of plastic and quite week in each day usage. In contrast to the Focal, the lower end is very precise and "full" sounding. The mids are VERY precise and easy to judge. So far so good if there wasn´t the high end…totally disappointing for me! Obviously there is (like on many speakers) an increasing made for the high end. When listening to jazz and especially classical music all sounds fake in this frequency region…violins are sounding like someone is cleaning a window (shrill and "plastic"). For spotting problems in the high end this HP might be a perfect solution but it can be very annoying for other purposes.

I´ve read here and there people complaining about the DT concerning the bass ("hyped") but when comparing it with this 2 models the DT is a real easing! Yes it pushes a tiny bit the bass but acoustic instruments (i.e cellos, violins) are sounding so real as they supposed to be. Another issue is the spatial issue..while the DT offers a "room" in the head the other tested models sounding just straight left-right.

I know, many people swear on AKG´s, but i never liked any of their models (construction, sound). BTW: My search was for an closed model only!

« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 05:54:58 PM by El culto »

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Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2014, 04:26:47 AM »
Hi Tomas...have you looked at these. Shure SRH1540.  They were on my audition list but I stayed with the Focal Spirit so never did hear them.  Not cheap but what is.

« Last Edit: October 09, 2014, 03:31:37 PM by Julio Di Benedetto »

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Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2014, 03:44:59 PM »
FYI my Focal Spirit Pro headphones cracked today within the swivel housing......so one side sort of hangs without pressure against the ear.  Not good and in less than a year.

Sound was good, as I think I said sort of boring which is ok for studio purposes but Im not going to replace them with the same so Im back in the can search.

First up is the shure's I suggested to Tomas above.....open to suggestions on closed backed headphones.

I still have my notoriously uncomfortable Grado SR325 open backs.... to date the best sounding cans Ive listened to (the discomfort fades when you hear the sound) but I need closed back as well.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2014, 04:02:25 PM by Julio Di Benedetto »

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Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2014, 04:30:57 PM »
Last year I bought a pair of Fostex T50RP, after reading how they could be wonderfully improved by modification. I still haven't gotten around to modifying them yet. Has anyone else tried this?
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Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2014, 02:57:32 AM »
Julio,

I still use the lower-end Shure SRH840's, they're pretty good - albeit not a perfect fit for my noggin.
Soundwise, they're supposed to be flat enough for 'reference' duties.

I still haven't found the 'perfect' headphone (if it exists in the world of form)

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Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2014, 05:31:27 AM »
Thanks Pete....I check out the Shures

The only other closed back phones mentioned in this thread were the sony 7506 and the akg 240.  Had a pair of the sony 12 years ago so I dont remember much about them.

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« Reply #87 on: October 10, 2014, 12:59:23 PM »
Seems like the Focals are still under warranty  :)  False alarm but thanks for the suggestions anyway.

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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2015, 05:30:24 AM »
Some may have read this elsewhere like rM several months ago and for some reason I did not post it here in a thread I actually started, so hear it is.






A Tale of 3 Headphones & an Amplifier

I had been thinking of upgrading my monitors but had realized that I recorded all my music using headphones and not monitors for a while.  There were times I had not turned the monitors on for months.  This made me think some more…. a monitor investment  to improve upon where Im at now was going to be very costly.  So what was all this fuss about headphones I had been hearing as a way to remove the room out of the mixing equation …..Im not an audiophiles though I do love great sound and you cant mix on cans…..well thats not true, many do with success. 

Then began a lot of reading and anytime someone said neutral sounding or microscopic detail that would suit audio pros for mixing and mastering I took note.  The one headphone that came up constantly in this context was the Sennheiser HD 800.  As I got further into this I discovered that the Sennheiser HD 800 had seemed to have become the standard that all other cans were judged.

Then the whole notion of open and closed cans came up so I wondered if there were any  closed cans that could compete with the HD 800 reputation…..one name kept coming up, Foster TH 900….more reading, pros cons etc and yet I had not heard anything, I was listening to words not sound.

I then come across a small ad on the side banner of some headphone forum that said “The headphone Lending Library...listen before you buy”.  It turns out thats what The Cable Company does, they sell and lend audiophile cables and also headphones.  Ok now I can hear what all these words I had read are trying to describe.

The name Audeze LCD X came up on radar….Planar Magnetic Headphones.

I contacted the Cable Co. and after several weeks the Sennheiser HD800, Foster TH900 and the Audeze LCD X arrived at my door for an auditioning period of about 10 days.

Headphones that I considered but for a reason or not decided against.  Beyerdynamics Tesla T1, AKG K 801 & Grado PS 1000e

The Amplifier

As I was researching my intention was to plug the headphones into my mixer which has a headphone amp…..I did not want an independent headphone amp and then when I do want to use the monitors I will need a passive switch which would mean the sources would be difference…...thats where the SPL Phoniter 2 came into the picture.  Firstly a headphone amp thats made for mixing with crossfade and angle capabilities and happens to have a pair of balance outputs designed to drive active monitors.  Sold!  To my astonishment the monitors came alive as I had never heard them before when fed by the Phonitor 2.  Ive had my monitors for 9 years….I know them but what I was hearing had some much more presence, detail and space….I was shocked and this was just the icing not the cake….the cake was for the headphones.  FYI my mixer and Metric Halo uln2 headphone amps drove these cans quite well but could not touch the sound coming through the Phoniter 2

As I write this Im in the middle of the audition period…..heres a selection of music thats being used with these headphones.  These recordings are great sonic examples of performance, recording, mixing and mastering and are reference cds I know.

Donald Fagan, The Nightfly & Morph the Cat
Diana Krall, The look of Love
Pat Metheny, Bright Sized Life
David Gilmore: On an Island
Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon
David Chesky, The Body Acoustic
The Penguin Cafe Orchestra
Peter Gabriel, Security
Beethoven Symphony No7, Academy of Ancient Music, Hogwood
Pieter Nooten / Michael Brooks, Sleeps with the Fishes
Ma Ja Le / James Johnson, Seed

Very little ambient except for Seed….a stunning recording, performance, mixing and these gentlemen put the mix in the hands of a very good mastering engineer. 

The Headphones.

At this level all cans are really very good and it would come down to personal taste, however the Foster Th 900 lacked the soundstage of the HD 800 and LCD X, understandable they are closed and considering they did really well.  The Audeze LCD X was a little disappointing, its hard to say why, perhaps they come across a little bloated by a dominant low end for my taste though I suspect its because of the stellar performance and resolution of the Sennheiser HD 800...everything that you may have read about the HD800, assuming your interested of course, is true.  The soundstage and placement of the music and instruments is breath taking...its not that the headphones disappear, its that you disappear into the music.  The main concern that I read was that the HD 800 is bright and can fatigue, perhaps for an audiophile who is used to listening to silk, cream and warmth they could be fatigued, but to someone who is used to a studio audio / neutral honesty then the Sennheiser HD 800’s are a sonic delight.

For more details and opinions on these headphones search the web….what most people say about them seems to pan out from my actual listening experience and if your in the market for headphone its really worth it to borrow a few from the Cable Co.

How all this will translate into my personal music production has yet to be determined but its sounding good….
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 05:57:19 PM by Julio Di Benedetto »

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Re: Cans.....Whats on your head?
« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2015, 11:38:02 AM »
Great post, Julio. I love reading this kind of stuff.


I've been considering for a while that I have several pairs of very good headphones, but no great ones. Maybe instead of multiple $200-400 headphones I should try something really high-end. We shall see...
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« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2015, 01:11:34 PM »
Great post, Julio. I love reading this kind of stuff.


I've been considering for a while that I have several pairs of very good headphones, but no great ones. Maybe instead of multiple $200-400 headphones I should try something really high-end. We shall see...

If and when you do Mike I can really recommend  The Cable Co and their headphone lending library.....

http://www.thecableco.com/Catalog/Headphone-and-Accessories 

The ability to try before you buy at this price point is pretty crucial and to be able to have 3 of some of the best cans on the market to demo is unheard of.  They will also lend headphone amps as well.  The cost was about $250 for a 10 day trail period which if you buy through them they will put that towards the headphone cost so you are only out of pocket for the shipping.  Very sweet.

Its the best sonic investment I have made.  It has completely changed the way I hear music, for pleasure or for studio work.

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« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2015, 07:58:20 AM »
First of all thanks for the compliment on Seed Julio, and second I agree with Mike, great post!

I just upgraded my headphones to the new Audio Technicha ATH-M70x and all I can say is WOW! The clarity is stunning. The low end may seem shy to some, but its really more that it is not exaggerated like some headphones.

http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/products/product.asp?catID=5&subID=39&prodID=4715
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« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2015, 11:42:36 AM »
Ha ...  I was going to try out the Audio Technica ATH-M50x phones when at a store again. I'd heard very good things about their quality given their relatively affordable price point. Now I may have to spend more for the M70x !!!

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« Reply #93 on: May 21, 2015, 04:54:46 PM »
First of all thanks for the compliment on Seed Julio, and second I agree with Mike, great post!

I just upgraded my headphones to the new Audio Technicha ATH-M70x and all I can say is WOW! The clarity is stunning. The low end may seem shy to some, but its really more that it is not exaggerated like some headphones.

http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/products/product.asp?catID=5&subID=39&prodID=4715

Hi Paul....Yes "Seed" is a sonic gem not often seen in ambient circles, and naturally that amount of detail is seriously matched by phenomenal music performance and production.

Through headphones lets keep the production level of what we hear at its zenith

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« Reply #94 on: May 22, 2015, 01:10:16 AM »
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Through headphones lets keep the production level of what we hear at its zenith

A worthy manifesto, indeed :)

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« Reply #95 on: May 22, 2015, 04:48:02 AM »
Great post Julio,

The headphones you have been listening to are seriious pieces of kit on their own. Great that the company lets you audition to compare in your own time and space.

About 6 months ago I was looking for a dedicated headphone amp and purchased one of these off ebay:


With multiple sources I have set up my CD player, VS2480 and a blu ray player (for Robert Rich's Perpetual and Somnium set).

The sound through my speakers improved so much I have hardly used my headphones since then and usually choose to turn on the CD player rather than the VS 2480 when I have spare time.
   It's a long time since I've been so excited by music that it's hard to play a complete album. Often what I'm listening to will remind me of something else and I'll have to put that on asap....

I'm hoping at some point soon to settle a bit and start recording again....

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« Reply #96 on: May 22, 2015, 04:50:57 AM »
PS. what I'm actually doing is looking for somewhere to live where I can set the studio and music up properly so I can really relax and enjoy listening and recording music....