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Redoing my studio
« on: March 21, 2011, 02:24:07 PM »
I'm going through a fairly major (for me at least) redo of my studio.   In order to do my studio - we have to redo several other things first.   Last weekend was my wife's closet  - this weekend was my closet - and next weekend will be a lot of shelving.   Of course a ton of purging, letting go of stuff, rearranging, moving closet organizers that are screwed into walls, cutting closet rods, painting, and all that is all involved. 

Long range goal is for my studio to be more open, efficient, usable, and ultimately - to try to treat the room to be more accurate to monitor audio in.   Due to the small bungalow we live in - there's only so far I can go without building an addition to the house... LOL.

Instead of posting everything twice... 

I've posted everything on my blog over on rM:   http://relaxedmachinery.ning.com/profiles/blogs/studio-changes-closets

If you're a member there - please just post over there.   If you're not a member there - feel free to post over here - just to totally confuse things! 

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2011, 08:31:28 PM »
I hope you have some energy left over to redo your studio!

Anybody out there have portable studios? I've seen a guy with a midi controller and his laptop with headphones in a Starbucks, and also another guy in another Starbucks(they're plentiful around these parts) with his strat, headphones and laptop.  Seems like with the way they crank the music in Starbucks you'd have a hard time concentrating on your own project. I've only done a couple of tunes in the portastudio mode and I'd like to do some more in different locals. Why always be stuck in the same place?
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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2011, 01:51:29 PM »
Pete / Igneous Flame told me I should ditch my synths and go all software.   I know some people have done that and it works well for them... I just can't see myself doing it.

I've updated the studio thread with a "to scale" drawing now.   (well a "really close to scale but don't grade me on it")
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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 03:09:00 PM »
It was a suggestion.

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2011, 07:05:05 PM »
I typed that one too quick... nothing negative intended.  I know plenty of people who've sold off their gear and all softsynth and happy as pie!
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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2011, 09:04:57 PM »
I don't quite get those people that feel they have to dump their hardware for software(and proselytize others yet) although sometimes it makes sense to save space if needed. I read in the LA Times today about a guy that scores films with just his laptop and emails the soundtrack to the film maker.

I think its cool to have a main studio with all your fav hardware synths and real instruments, but its also cool to be able to travel with an augmented portable system in addition.   8)
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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 08:44:19 AM »
It's the same mindset that gets people to rip their entire CD collection and sell all the discs on Ebay. I can understand how it's enticing to free up space, and to have everything all contained within one computer.

I've also heard many musicians say they sold off all their hardware instruments and effects, then ended up buying a bunch of hardware back again because they missed the "tangible" interface with their gear.
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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2011, 08:53:06 AM »
Just want to be 100% clear that I wasn't being mean to Pete - he has a very valid point about a lot of musicians going to computer based and selling hardware.   I was reposting it here because it is a valid option.

OK - here's the current drawing.   Note that I have very strong recommendations to just get the bass amp and chair out of there - I'm not sure I can actually bring myself to put the amp in storage... it's too nice to be able to "jam". ;-)   Chair's gotta stay too.  :-)

If I can possibly pull it off in my limited space - pulling the desk out away from wall and having the speakers on stands behind it is also recommended to me.   We'll see. 

This is an evolving plan - and I'm incorporating a lot of advice from everyone.  I appreciate all comments, suggestions, and questions!

Each square is 12".    Also, the floor is carpeted (in a lovely burnt orange sort of honeycomb pattern... ;-)     

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 11:28:05 AM »
Hey John,

I know JJ or someone suggested on the other thread...but glass...reflective...not good  :o
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2011, 12:32:38 PM »
Agree - Get a grass table instead.   Less reflective, more absorbent - more organic sound.

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2011, 12:38:49 PM »
Oh - glass table definitely out  (unfortunately I'm splitting information between two different communities! ha!)   The stainless steel table my computer is currently on is already headed for the basement.  :-)

I'll be doing wood.  Or perhabs doing that grass idea - maybe some turf attached to adobe bricks?    If I could keep the grass living - even better - nothing like needing to mow your desk before mixing.

JJ is definitely helping.
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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2011, 05:59:18 AM »
Talking of reflectivity.....have you figured acoustic treatment in your studio redo John.  Perhaps you already have the room treated, if not swing by this links http://gikacoustics.com   I use these in my studio.  Really well made, affordable and they do the job.

Actually I just reread your first post and you say you do plan to make the room acoustically more accurate. :)

Looking at you studio layout might I suggest, and this is from an acoustic perspective....you move the desk which is where your Daw and monitors are, right?  To where your synths and bass amp are, basically flip flop them.  the reason being that the closet door might be a problem.  You can hang treatment on it but if you need access to it could be a real hassel.

My studio is similar in shape to yours and I sit with my back to a double closet with accordion type doors which i have very light weight foam panels hung on.  The doors would not take the weight of the acoustic traps.

Good luck with the studio remodeling, its a fun & sometimes challenging journey.


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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2011, 07:22:56 AM »
Thanks, Julio!  Current revision has the desk flipped to the other side...  I haven't redid the drawing yet - will at some point soon.

Found a desk I really like and bonus!  My wife really likes it too.  Have to wait a bit to buy.

I won't try to treat the room until all the "stuff" is in place. 

I found this nice article in Sound on Sound from 2002 for small home studio's on a budget:   http://relaxedmachinery.ning.com/forum/topics/monitor-placement-optimising

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2011, 05:42:14 PM »
Thanks, Julio!  Current revision has the desk flipped to the other side...  I haven't redid the drawing yet - will at some point soon.

Found a desk I really like and bonus!  My wife really likes it too.  Have to wait a bit to buy.

I won't try to treat the room until all the "stuff" is in place. 

I found this nice article in Sound on Sound from 2002 for small home studio's on a budget:   http://relaxedmachinery.ning.com/forum/topics/monitor-placement-optimising


Good article on acoustics

Also if theres some coin left in your studio remodel budget highly recommend one of these.


Freedom Chair

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Aeron Chair

I have the Freedom Chair......for years I passed on these as an unnecessary luxury but that changed last year.....and I would probably stand taller and less bent over had I invested earlier. ;)  You dont have to pay the crazy prices that these things go for new.  Got mine through ebay refurbished for a 1/3 of what the street price is.
 
 

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2011, 02:35:40 PM »
A good drummers stool is another way of keeping a better posture - it is the item in my studio I use the most.

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2011, 09:33:02 AM »
My latest update posted orginally this morning to:   http://relaxedmachinery.ning.com/profiles/blogs/studio-kinetoscope-design

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Planning a first round of acoustic treatment purchases frrom http://www.atsacoustics.com - which is only about 90 minutes from my home.

Behind monitors / desk - a 24x48x2 panel mounted to wall (drawing right).  http://www.atsacoustics.com/cat--ATS-Acoustic-Panels--100.html

Behind chair - a 24x48x2 baffle - hung from sky hooks on a track rod - normally for curtains - however the panel is only 9 lbs so should be fine on this rod.   I'll have a baton attached so the baffle is easy to slide away from window over wall when not in use.  http://www.atsacoustics.com/acoustic-baffle-b.html   (drawing left)

Over closet doors will be another 24x48x2 baffle hung in same way - I'll slide it out of way as I need access to my clothes in the closet.  :-)   (drawing bottom)

The window to the left of the listening position (drawing top) is a problem - it's behind a fairly massive Manfrotto a-frame keyboard stand so covering it is an issue.  Instead - we'll hang three 24x36x2 panels on the walls on either side and on the back wall (drawing left near top).

In that top left corner in drawing - I'll be adding one 24x48 bass trap - http://www.atsacoustics.com/corner-bass-trap-b.html   This is probably not enough for the room. 

We'll see how this sounds before adding the possible other two bass traps and baffle indicated in green.   If necessary we could also mount a panel on the ceiling.   I don't want to deaden the room - just tame it.    Note the possible bass trap and hanging baffle on the same track rod as over the closet would be essentially blocking off that little alcove/hallway area in the room.  We would move those as needed - stack the bass trap on top of one of the other bass traps - and possible take down the baffle off the hooks when not recording / sound editing.

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2011, 01:33:08 PM »
What is the ottoman and "fabric chair" doing in such a small space?  ???
You should knock down the wall and extend the room !!!   8)
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2011, 01:55:58 PM »
The ottoman may have to disappear back into storage ...  it's a little tight.  The chair is nice - I want it there - and it gives my wife a place to sit!

Yeah - it's tight - oddly - until just recently I had the a-frame keyboard stand in the middle of the room which made the room extremely tiny!   

Getting the ... oh sheesh ...  at least 15 shelves off the walls has really super opened up the room - reduced massive clutter - and made it a very serene place.  the burlap acoustic panels are going to look so nice with the new paint job.  I can't wait to have it cleaned up enough to take some more photos now that it's fully painted. 

The only shot I'm willing to show is this one - which admittedly - shows nothing.  :-)

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2011, 04:40:26 AM »
The picture may not show much of the studio yet but it does have a nice vibe to it......perfect for some late night listening.

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Re: Redoing my studio
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2011, 01:21:55 PM »
Looks like a keyboard having a relaxing sit in its living room.
Possibly you're out of frame opening a nice bottle of wine.      ;)