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CD vs. CDR
« on: March 08, 2011, 09:42:08 AM »
I love CDs and LPs, but don't have much patience with tapes or CDR. 

Just noticed this while looking at the death of the CD thread. 

I can't say I see much difference between the two.  Longevity is probably my biggest concern but otherwise they're pretty much the same.  I recently had a CDR turn up which had been lacquered on the front and you could see the finger prints under the lacquer.  A very personal touch I thought.

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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 04:43:44 AM »
There was an overly long thread related to this that I started a couple of years ago.

http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=1352.0

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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2015, 09:05:49 AM »
Hi, gang. Quick question from a novice's point of view:

I went to listen to my copy of Lost at Dunn's Lake (Johnson/Philips) last night, but it wouldn't read on my stereo. I loaded the CDr into my computer, and no luck there either.

Is there a solution you use when and old CDr appears to be giving up the ghost? I really like this album and was pining for it a bit last night. I'm sad to realize that the music might be lost to me forever.

I searched around the forum and found a great thread, but it is now locked:
http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=1352.60



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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2015, 09:29:28 AM »
Don't think there is much you can do if you have cleaned the disk and it won't read anymore.
I think the solution is to contact either artist and see if they will send you a replacement disk or a good digital version.

A number of labels were not always using the best blank CDr media for their releases.

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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2015, 10:54:43 AM »
Hi, gang. Quick question from a novice's point of view:

I went to listen to my copy of Lost at Dunn's Lake (Johnson/Philips) last night, but it wouldn't read on my stereo. I loaded the CDr into my computer, and no luck there either.

Is there a solution you use when and old CDr appears to be giving up the ghost? I really like this album and was pining for it a bit last night. I'm sad to realize that the music might be lost to me forever.

I searched around the forum and found a great thread, but it is now locked:
http://www.hypnos.com/smf/index.php?topic=1352.60

I had the same problem with Dunn's Lake. I think the problem is actually rooted in the sticky labels James was using at that time more than the CDrs themselves - though I'd bet the CDrs are not of Taiyo Yuden quality either. Those were the early days of CDr releases and there was still a lot to learn the hard way. So far I have only had problems develop with CDrs with sticky labels.

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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2015, 02:01:02 PM »
Thanks for the input, gang! I'm sad. I'm afraid to pull down some of the older CDrs out of fear of what I might discover.

Looks like James Johnson's website is dead: http://www.james-johnson.net/. I've sent an email to Dark Duck Records to see if Stephen will receive it. I appreciate your suggestions.

 

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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2015, 02:17:02 PM »
I think these days its wise (and relatively easy) to make sure you have a good MP3 (or whatever) rip
of physical albums saved somewhere. That way when your wife throws you out you don't have to
take all those damn CDs with you.  ;)
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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2015, 03:04:25 PM »
yes, the old sticky labels can often cause such problems - I've been through my collection and listened to these older discs and ripped those
that still play to wav files.

There is software - exact audio copy is one version - that can sometimes pull the audio from such discs...though the success rate can vary.

otherwise you might email other people you know who might have the same disc and see if they might help....

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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2015, 04:37:34 PM »
yes, the old sticky labels can often cause such problems - I've been through my collection and listened to these older discs and ripped those
that still play to wav files.

There is software - exact audio copy is one version - that can sometimes pull the audio from such discs...though the success rate can vary.

otherwise you might email other people you know who might have the same disc and see if they might help....

Sometimes a wav rip from iTunes and reburn onto a clean CDr will work, if the problem is just an occasional skip.  I also have an old CD recorder that can sometimes dub a copy onto a clean CDr, though if the dye on the original CDr is damaged, you're probably out of luck.

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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2015, 09:52:38 PM »
chris23

A couple of years ago almost all James Johnson albums (including collaborative ones) were available at official James Johnson's page as FREE digital lossless downloads. I can send you Lost at Dunn's Lake if you want it.
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2015, 05:39:56 AM »
That would be most kind, Poaalpina. I'll send you a private message. I recall filling in a few gaps in my collection during that phase, but was too shortsighted to download the ones I already owned. 

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2015, 06:04:49 AM »
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Lost at Dunn's Lake has been uploaded on my Google Drive. Please PM me your email and I'll send you the link.
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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2015, 07:54:38 AM »
I just went through a huge re-ripping binge and re-ripped my entire CD collection at lossless and unfortunately pretty much any cdr I had which used a sticky label of any kind is dead  :(

So all of my Oophoi, James Johnson, Vir Unis and Gears of Sand Discs are all DOA.
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2015, 08:21:42 AM »
Paul, PM me needed albums of James Johnson; maybe I could help you with some of them.
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2015, 11:58:43 AM »
Also Paul, if you pm me  the Oophoi needed titles I may be able to help with some of those.
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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2015, 11:33:26 AM »
Yep - I'm very familiar with the sticky label problem that James had (he did a run of my solo album released on Red Antenna) - pretty much all of them had issues.  James always replaced what he needed to and the cdr's got better. 

However - James has gone pretty much off-grid these days.   He did put up just about everything for free so I don't think there's any issue with you trading the files like you are.
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2015, 12:52:02 PM »
I don't call it "trading". It's just help to the person who owns that album legally but unfortunately his cd-r is unreadable now.
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Re: CD vs. CDR
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2015, 02:06:18 PM »
I don't think John meant anything negative by that word.
It's admirable that you jumped in and offered to make the music available.
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