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there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« on: May 27, 2012, 10:42:05 AM »
since many months, indeed since many years,
I see no vitality, no creativity, no new interesting music.

I talk as listener,
I talk as musician of "this" kind of music (perhaps)
so please note my one is also a self-criticism!

I thought a lot about why I personally do not listen something that touch me by
some years and I admit I stop (temporarily) making music exactly some years
ago...
But I remember times when I was exited discovering guys as Robert Rich, Steve
Roach, Star of The Lid, Alio Die (just to name few) and them masterpieces...

but now I feel a big "void"
(and I'm not referring to the magnificent “sufi” concept of void in Klaus
Wiese singing bowls mystical music... and also I'm not referring to "magnificent
void" Steve Roach's great album ;-) )
NO! I'm referring to what appear to me a complete lack of artistic
“novelty”: the absence of the inner magic flame that light up on your soul
when you listen new beautiful music...)
BTW, the late lamented critic and my friend Gordon Danis could perfectly
understand what I mean... :-(

So why all that, I ask to myself?
And I forward my question to you, listener or music maker!

I mean: I feel a sort of decadence, a lack of new exiting new ways in
ambient/electronic music and that paradoxically mismatch with the new
possibilities of synthesizers and computer elaboration capabilities of nowadays
pc-for-the-masses... bla bla bla

So regarding the lack of new sonic explorations of “beauty”:
It's about the crisis of CD selling?
So it's about the global “economical crisis”?
It's about the lack of new "sensibility" in our so beautiful societies?

Now,
It's only my personal point of view, so pessimistic?
I'm perhaps lost something?
Or is a common feeling here?

Nevertheless, to conclude, let me overturn the plaint! let me be positive!
please suggest me new amazing musics/artists you just discovered!

respect
giorgio

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Re: there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 02:32:05 PM »
Good to see you posting here again Giorgio.
And a worthy topic of discussion.

You speak of a "void", a "decadence", a lack of "novelty", a lack of "exciting new ways", and of a lack of new "explorations of beauty", but I see these in abundance ... or perhaps even an over-abundance of them. Of course there is, along with this abundance, also a whole lot more second-rate imitators, push button computer musicians, and just a great load of mediocre work. But there is certainly a lot of innovation and very fine quality music out there, and I mean music that has the "magical flame". I like that image by the way. In the end my estimation of fine music is if it has that magic ... that 'je ne sais quoi' of something different, something brilliant that moves you.

But I'm wary of expecting something new and wonderful out of an earlier style I have enjoyed. If, for example, you want to find the modern inheritors of Rich and Roach I think you will have trouble if you are  truly looking for some new and remarkable development from it. The 'new' jumps with generations. The new artists have not been brought up on what you might consider 'the best'. Instead they take over musics and technologies they grew up with, and they bend these to their own artistic ends. The music changes on a fundamental level, and you have to adapt your mind-set (as a listener) to these different paradigms that arise. You have to listen to it without prejudice. You have to absorb it. You have to be at home with it to grasp it. Then its excellence shines through.

In his talks, Robert Fripp was fond of saying that "expectation is the prison of attention".

Yes, I haven't named names. I've been theoretical. But there are names that move me, and others, just as much now as the greats of the previous generation.

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Re: there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2012, 02:47:33 PM »
Hi Giorgio,  I see things a bit differently. I do hear a lot of music that doesn't excite or interest me, but I also find some gems out there. It may just that they are more difficult to find as so many people are putting out releases and the good stuff is just harder to find. I can think of several releases recently that I am very excited about. Forrest Fang's "Animism" is one that comes to mind. I'm not going to go into lists here because I know I would leave some great ones out, but I will try to come up with a short list and email you later. I know over the years you and I have had some private conversations about this and we have determined that you are more of a pessimist and I tend to be an optimist. At least I try to be. A great source for finding good new music is right here on Hypnos as well as Relaxed Machinery. In particular Richard Gurtler's reviews are a great source for new music to me. There are also a lot of other good recommendations by others here and on other forums. I have noticed , however, that some of my favorites of the past newer releases don't excite me as much as they once did. I'm thinking of Steve Roach and Robert Rich as well as others. I still buy most of their releases and enjoy them, but don't get quite the same "WOW" factor I once did.   I see that  Anthony posted as I was writing my reply and I have to agree with his comments.
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Re: there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 12:48:48 AM »
Thanks Apk, Harry

@Apk
yes, probably I do not deepen enough new artists discovering :-)
My point, pheraps because I'm musician too, is that I have "expectations" regarding possible new sonic worlds to be explored, but these expectations of the future sound, paradoxically, are rarely achived; by example I think Steve Roach seed something not yet undertaken. The paradox is also technological, because nowadays the potential sonic tools seem more powerful than just ten years ago.

@Harry   
Thanks for the e-mail list I'm goig to read.
Yes, your are for sure more optimistic that me :-)
Indeed it happen to me the opposite: when I relisten now what I believed was real gems, I still say "wow".
BTW, can you give me a web link of these Richard Gurtler's reviews ?

giorgio

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Re: there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 12:28:45 PM »
If nothing new excites you, just listen to the old stuff, and/or make your own music, music you want to hear that others aren't making. 

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Re: there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 12:57:18 PM »
"BTW, can you give me a web link of these Richard Gurtler's reviews ?"        Yeah, Giorgio, Richard's reviews can be found here on the Hypnos forum under the subject line Independent Music Reviews or over on the Relaxed Machinery forum. There are also a lot of others who post good reviews that I didn't mention on both of these places.
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Re: there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 10:04:39 AM »
Hi Giorgio, long time no see.

For Reviews...   Richard Gurtler is awesome.  Over in the Relaxed Machinery community he posts frequently - and posts the same reviews here on Hypnos (or he posts here than there... not sure which comes first... doesn't matter - we're all friends!).

http://relaxedmachinery.ning.com/profiles/blog/list?tag=review

If you hit that link... 99% of all reviews are Richards.

As far as music ... expectations, etc...  The more you hear, the older you get, the more experienced you get, the more you learn...   the more you can pick out the simularities and constants.  I just listen... every once in awhile I get a 'wow, that's cool!' moment.  But seeking it out isn't really a userful thing.  I pick up new stuff based on friend's suggestions.   I still find "wow" moments in old recordings.   

We just had a thread a month or two ago listing a bunch of new artists...   I've been really into Marcus Fischer, Andrew Lahiff, Peter James, Loscil lately.  None of them will make you go wow - exciting - because it's all forward motion on music we've heard before... however, they do it so so well.  There are some other artists I've been raving about lately but slipping my mind at the moment.
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Re: there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 10:55:41 AM »
I agree with John.  I would add that there’s way too much good ambient music out there, past and present, to focus only on the latest releases.  But I also think there may be point when a genre gets a little long in the tooth.  It seemed for a while there like every other new album of our genre featured rainsticks and shamanic drumming.  Maybe it’s time to bring back the pyramid.

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Re: there is some new exiting music in this realm ?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 11:08:18 AM »
I miss Mike G's jelly jars myself...
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