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TV: Lost
« on: December 10, 2007, 06:15:15 PM »
We had a nice Lost thread before...

Despite a good friend's prompting that I need to put the TV away and start recording again (smile!)... Lost season 3 comes out tomorrow!   We haven't seen any episodes of season 3...  we can't wait!   
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 06:21:31 PM »
Lost is great. No point recording when that is on !

I'm looking forward to season 4.
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2007, 02:05:31 PM »
This show is incredibly wonderful at its best, and still pretty compelling even when it gets slow (like during much of season 2).  Season 3 had some great stuff and I can't wait to see what comes next. 

With a show like this, I almost wish I hadn't discovered it until it was over, so I could watch the whole thing in a giant hurry, on DVD.
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2007, 02:39:40 PM »
Lost is so overrated : bad actors, bad scripts (they don't even know where they're going), it's just another successful but bad tv show such as Heroes or CSI. Too superficial, no depth, no good acting or emotions. The real good series nowadays are series like The Wire, Dexter or House. Too bad HBO is going down, they knew what a good show was (six feet under, sopranos, band of brothers etc...).

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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2007, 02:53:36 PM »
Hallu... of course, I disagree because I love Lost and planning to get the new season 3 dvd - but it's great to have a dissenting opinion.   

My coworker loaned me season 1 of House - so I'll be taking a look at that one soon.   I definitely agree on Sopranos and Six Feet Under... :)

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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2007, 02:54:45 PM »
Lost and Heroes and CSI aren't supposed to have depth.  They're just supposed to be entertaining, not literary or serious.  Two of them are basically comic books, and the third one is entirely formula-driven, but I don't think that means they're "bad."  The creators of those shows certainly aren't trying to compete with The Wire or Six Feet Under or Sopranos.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2007, 04:33:36 PM »
I don't mind those entertaining series as long as they don't prevent the good ones from being broadcasted. But The Wire is in their last season, Sopranos just ended, and HBO is going down with no new series, even though they tried to do an entertaining one with Rome. What I hate is that series like Lost, Heroes, with big budget but no acting (the worst being Heroes, they act as if they were in a soap opera or something this is just pathetic, and I'm not even mentionning the poor camera directing) and no good scripts (Lost is just one cliffhanger after another, Heroes is cut in 1 min shots so that nothing really happens during one episode), those series gather the best audience scores, while the good ones are being stopped. I just hope that more series like Dexter and House will rise so I don't have to rewatch my HBO DVDs again and again (I forgot Oz, great show too by the way) to be satisfied.

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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2007, 04:44:51 PM »
Most of my favorite TV shows of the last decade originated on HBO, but those shows aren't the same thing at all as fantasy entertainment like Lost or Heroes.  And I disagree that the ending of shows like Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Deadwood, or Rome had much at all to do with competition from more mainstream network shows.  HBO has its own problems, and several times they've canceled shows in their prime due to escalating budgets, or the show creator deciding to do something else entirely and abandoning a successful show.

If you want to complain about shows competing with HBO and stealing viewers, you shouldn't worry about totally different shows like Lost and Heroes, but what about the shows inspired by HBO's "you can't do that on broadcast television" successes, like Weeds, L Word, Queer as Folk, and Dexter?
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2008, 07:43:45 AM »
Oh my my my my my...  we finished Season 3 and ... wow!   Fantastic season.   
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 12:36:18 PM »
We saw the Oceanic Airlines billboard on our local news last night... check out

http://www.flyoceanicair.com

Which will then lead you to...

http://www.find815.com

Some fun stuff to read and watch... 


For more on the whole ABC campaign.. check out Lostpedia...

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Find_815


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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 12:59:32 PM »
I'm another dissenting vote on Lost. I thought the first season started strong, but as it wore on, I started thinking back to Twin Peaks and how Lynch gave the impression that he didn't really know where the hell to go next...making it up as he went along. Lost struck me as that. It's like the writers throw something creepy/cool into the show then just leave it hanging. I don't need EVERYTHING resolved, but it just kept getting more and more far-fetched, straining all kinds of credibility. Plus, it just got soap-opera-ish at times.. will Sawyer bag what's her name or will Jack...will Charlie kick his habit or not...yada yada yada...for me, the only compelling and unique character is the guy who was crippled before the flight but now is bad ass (it's been so long I don't remember all the names...is his name John? I think so). Plus the heavy set dude is at least different, although he sometimes comes across like forced comic relief. I'm sure the plot/storyline has moved far afield of when I stopped watching it (the last thing I remember is Jack waking up and being in that prison cell of sorts and them showing him some video tapes and Sawyer and what's her face being in cages...meanwhile all this stuff from season one just never got addressed (unless I missed it), such as polar bears, the mist, WTF was making all that noise in the woods, people seeing visions of folks from their past...

Sorry for the rant...I'm not meaning to piss on anyone's taste...I just can't help feeling that JJ Abrams was caught unawares at the series' huge success and he and his writers are just sitting around painting themselves into corners left and right. I don't get the same feeling from this that I got from Babylon 5 for which the creator, JM Straczinski (spelling?) mapped out a five-year story arc before the first show was even filmed, not knowing if he would be on the air that long but at least he knew what he would do over those 5 years if he got 'em. I don't think the writers on Lost really mapped this thing out in advance.

Anyway, maybe I'll rent seasons 2 and 3 and see if I can reignite what I felt for the first 2/3 of the first season.

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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2008, 01:29:04 PM »
You stopped right before all the reveals...  season 3 reveals a ton.   (without giving anything away - the episode featuring Ben's flashbacks is ... well - amazing for showing a lot of what was going on throughout seasons 1 and 2 from the "other" perspective.)

From what I've heard them say in interviews/commentary and read - yes - you're right - they were caught a bit by the success.  However, they've maintained since the beginning that they have the outline sketched out for the entire series and have an ending and they have the general plot points in between...   I believe they had a 5 year story arc in mind - but then the success of season 1 had execs pushing for stretching it out to 7 or 8 seasons so they had to start padding it a bit.    I think the decision to say that there will be three more season of 16 episodes each was a very good call - they have a definite end point and a fixed number of episodes to finish out the storylines.

I think the also learned in season 2 that piling mystery after mystery was just getting annoyingly old... so the last part of season 2 and a lot of season 3 reveals much (while of course opening up new mysteries...).

Anyway - I'm rambling - but basically if you enjoyed the first season - you'll truly enjoy the rest of season 3.  I found season 2 -especially the first half the worst of all of them...
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2008, 01:34:24 PM »
I agree with Bill's point that at times in season 1 and 2, Lost was very frustrating in how slowly the story was developed, and at other times the writers seemed to bring up a certain plot direction only to drop it cold, without developing it.  This latter problem continued into season 3 actually... like the introduction of Nikki and Paolo, which went nowhere.

But I do think things got on track in season 3 and ended up stronger than ever, and I believe that now that the writers & producers know how soon the story will end, and how many episodes are left, we'll see a much more carefully developed arc to the story, fewer dead-ends, and a faster pace of development overall.  I remain a big fan of Lost, and despite its flaws I believe it to be one of the most interesting things on TV.
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2008, 01:57:13 PM »
I try to ignore Nikki and Paolo...  my absolute favorite part about that whole idiocy was Sawyer's constant comment on "who the heck is Nikki?" - or when he asked one of them what hole they crawled out of - or whatever he said. 

Odd to suddently get Arzt in a bunch of flashbacks also... 
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2008, 02:02:24 PM »
Arzt's "big scene" in season one was one of the best things on TV, ever.
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2008, 07:00:13 AM »
Yes - that scene with Arzt was great.

There's been several really 'neat' moments - the pneumatic tube pile was hilarious.   I don't know why I found that so perfect - but yeah...
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2008, 01:44:14 PM »
bumped for APK, who started a new Lost topic
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2008, 01:55:35 PM »
I'll post here then ...  new Lost season starting up here Thursday, apparently.
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Re: TV: Lost
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2008, 01:56:08 PM »
I'm afraid to even read the posts above, in case of any spoilers. Am halfway done with season 3, after a mighty marathon of watching this amazing show for the past couple weeks. It has disrupted my work schedule, as I'll end up watching four or more episodes at a time, with headphones on...completely immersing myself on the island. It feels strange to say it, and maybe I'm just infatuated with the show, but it is a life-changing, perhaps even spiritually cleansing experience to watch this. I come out of this show as if I've lived it. I never watch TV, don't even own one, but I am grateful that this show is out there.

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2008, 01:58:04 PM »
I know what you mean, 9dragons, about the "spiritual" component to the show -- I feel that or sense it too, but it's hard to put your finger on.  I guess to me, it's the sense that the island is a metaphor for one's chance at a new beginning in life, or a chance to remake one's life by design.
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