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judd stephens

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Sampling in Ambient Music
« on: September 23, 2013, 04:16:01 PM »
I really like most of Alio Die's music, particularly any time he uses medieval choirs and renaissance instruments. 

This is really out of my league so I ask the question here:  some of that, if not all, is sampled right? 

Most likely he didn't emply a group of choir singers, and he may play instruments but a lot of the medieval music sounds like it may have been a previous recording that has been slowed down, distorted and with layers of effects and processing meshed in.

To me this is actually a neat idea, that of "recycling" that kind of music and if that's what Alio Die is doing, he does it like no other.  The artist Diatonis has an album called The Convolving Universe that is just processed gregorian monks and choirs I believe, and it's similarly cool....

I wonder how one deals with copywright issues with this?  If you distort something beyond recognition (at least in parts) and add your own effects, does it become something new?  This is something that went on for years in Rap music before artists finally started demanding royalties, so just curious about this topic...

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Re: Sampling in Ambient Music
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 06:57:17 PM »
I think if you sample form someone's recording without their permission you are fair game for that artist to go after you. As an example some ambient group just recently released an album of music with one track in which they sampled about 30 seconds of Steve Roach's Structures From Silence. All they did was loop it and add some wind sounds over the top of it, and never once asked for permission or even gave Steve credit. From what I have heard they are now learning a hard lesson.

In the case of Alio Die I am not sure where the source of his samples are from. I really doubt that he did it without permission. I've used recordings of gamelans that I have processed to make some of my sounds, but in my case I have used recordings that I have made myself so no issues there. In the late 1980s I saw this was going to be an issue and made a conscious decision not to go the route of taking stuff from other people recordings.
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Re: Sampling in Ambient Music
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 01:36:47 AM »
That group you speak of, Sowing Paranoia, also sampled heavily from Eno's On Land on the same cd.  Funny thing is, I really like how they weaved those samples in to the album.  Although it was pretty shady they didn't get permission...

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Re: Sampling in Ambient Music
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 01:23:23 PM »
That group you speak of, Sowing Paranoia, also sampled heavily from Eno's On Land on the same cd.

That's not the name of the group I am referring too. I'm not going to post who they are, don't want to give them anything for what they did.
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Re: Sampling in Ambient Music
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 03:27:03 PM »
Damn. Now I'm more curious than ever!

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Re: Sampling in Ambient Music
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 04:37:39 PM »
Research Music Lab.  Perhaps they should have done more "research" on illegal sampling...

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Re: Sampling in Ambient Music
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 04:43:13 PM »
I have this cd.  Group is Sowing Paranoia, album is Research Music Lab.  Unless another group sampled Structures, I'm 100% sure of this...

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Re: Sampling in Ambient Music
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 09:38:09 PM »
I have this cd.  Group is Sowing Paranoia, album is Research Music Lab.  Unless another group sampled Structures, I'm 100% sure of this...

Nope, not them I am referring to. Just so this doesn't continue into a long guessing game I am not going to say anything more about it.
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judd stephens

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Re: Sampling in Ambient Music
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 07:43:43 PM »
Thanks for the clarifications Loren.  A lot of times you don't see any credit given.  For example I'm enjoying this ambient download I found that weaves in Tibetan monk chanting extensively during the first track.   David Parsons uses a lot of those deep, low growling chants in his work, but maybe they at least get permission if not full credit. 

I hope they got credit, as I believe the monks were chanting something along the lines of "karma can be a bitch"... ;D ;)