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Julio Di Benedetto:
I copied theses quotes to start a new thread from the Now Playing conversation about Youtube......


"Interesting to hear that youtube is used these days by lots of people primarily to browse for music."...Pete Kelly


"That only bothers me is if the music is up there without the artist's or label's consent.  It's not unusual to see entire albums up there, and I would be surprised if most of the postings had prior consent.  The default assumption these days seems to be that you must have consented to it, even if you didn't know about it or didn't see it up there when you last checked."... Forrest Fang


"Don't think audiophiles would be going to YouTube for stealing music or anything.  I see it as a good form of promotion."....drone on


"What drone on said. The top referrer to my site is YouTube, with an average bounce rate of 35%. In my case, it's an excellent form of promotion."....Altus


"Yes, but that's the individual artist or label's decision to make, not the listener's.  I'm completely OK with the occasional piece of mine appearing on a blog mix, for example.  What I'm not OK with is a person posting one of my releases in its entirety anywhere in any form without my consent or my label's. This has happened more than once and I've had to sent take down notices."....Forrest Fang


"While I agree with what Forrest says (I wouldn't be best pleased if someone uploded one of my albums without my permission), I still think it's where a lot of people are going to find new music, so I make a video (usually a montage) whenever I release something and put it up on the choob.

I can't think of better ways to get it 'out there'. soundcloud (for example) doesn't work in that way, in my experience."....Pete Kelly


"When music that is mentioned here in the "Now Playing" thread that I might be interested in I follow whatever links are offered and also head to youtube which usually has a fair share of the artists music  to help me decide in my purchase.  It is a great resource.  I agree with Forrest about artists rights yet most of the youtube post I listen to have so much admiration for the music being posted its hard to fault it. 

Really a lot of my music purchasing decisions are often based more on youtube than the artist websites because of the silly 30 second sound clip rule that many adhere.....perhaps a Youtube thread?"...Julio Di Benedetto


"Pete and Julio,

I know there can be an inherent tension between an artist or a small label's rights and a listener's desire to hear as music as he or she can for as cheap as possible, and that YouTube for some fulfills that need alone, while other use it as a basis for experimenting with purchasing new music.  Ultimately, if musicmaking can no longer pay for itself and, instead, musicians continue to lose money paying for mastering, licensing of photos and artwork, you will have fewer musicians able or willing to do this at a continued loss and I think the pool of available music will gradually become the poorer for it.  If listeners truly respect the musicians whose music they like, they should pay for it, unless the musician chooses to make it available for free.  I try to balance my pay releases with some "free" material, such as my "Seeds of Memory" EP on Thomas Park's Treetrunk netlabel, as a way of giving those unfamiliar with my work a taste of what I do.

I buy quite a bit of music, physical and virtual, so I try to put money where my mouth is, as I think it's the right thing to do."...Forrest Fang


"What you say here Forrest is becoming a disturbing reality, or perhaps is a reality.  The idea of a pool of music becoming a puddle is a sad picture.  Some might say that there is so much out there that maybe its not a terrible thing yet it would be for the wrong reason.  All suffer for sure.

I feel that artists / musicians need to step up their personal exposure via websites / Bandcamp etc....and offer music fans a decent amount of music to listen to to help the purchasing process and thus avoid the need for youtube browsing.  This is my reason for going to youtube because I often cant find the music discussed here.  30 second sound clips @ amazon, itunes & cdbay does not promoted sales in IMHO. I realize that what you say Forrest goes much deeper and  started with the Napster thing and now "Free" is the first step towards success 

This is a huge topic.....one worth chatting about for musicians and even more so music lovers."....Julio Di Benedetto


"This is an interesting topic. You guys should create a separate thread for it so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle."....Chris23
 

Ekstasis:
Youtube does not offer anywhere near cd quality so if you ask me you are not hearing the "full product"
If you upload uncompressed audio the sound is more acceptable though but the big majority of uploads are double compressed.
Me as an artist would probably mostly dislike the audio quality since they are not hearing the real product just some over compressed version of it.
And especially for ambient it is impoartant.

Youtube  great resource to find and explore new music... a very big percent is copy righted material on youtube or internet in general
People do copy these days just like people did copy music with cassette tapes I jut think it is a reality that we just have live by despite if you see it as an opportunity or catastrophe. Streaming services like Google Music and Spotify is not much better for the artist then having their music on youtube, only artist who sell very big quantities can make the money niche music like ambient could never substancial money on spotify or Google Music cause the provision you get from each listen is too microscopic.. it is not really the solution either and is probably as bad as piriting if you ask me the money gets in the wrong pockets and the consumers are throwing money into the sea. Bandcamps concept I find most appealing that I can choose the price myself, but I would prefer to donate directely, bandcamp takes 30% of the cash, which is greedy, if I donate with paypal the fees are quite high too.. I wish there was better ways to buy music without middle hands taking the money. Also Bandcamp and other site I think use paypal to send money to their artist, then paypal also takes a fee for the artist to receive the money so.. yeah..money gets in wrong pockets all the time...which I do not like when I spend my hard earned money.

Regarding Google music, which was recently released, I am not sure how greedy they are, if they are more or less greedy then spotify.
If I would pay for a streaming service I know the money does not come the artist it is mostly to pay for the bandwidth I use for the service.

petekelly:
Yeah, Youtube's audio quality is very poor, but I think that it shows that we live in an increasingly visually orientated culture, where people (the majority of ?) prefer to listen to music with a visual element. I went through a phase of making a considerable number ofvideos and uploading to my channel for that reason.
Personally I use it primarily to rediscover classics that I've heard throughout my musical life (just revisited 'White punks on dope' by the Tubes !)
Paypal are weasels and they take their cut from pretty much everyone, but they seem to have a monopoly of sorts. Spotify is increasing it's artist royalty payments, but they still pay very little. I wouldn't describe Bandcamp as greedy at all, they charge you nothing if you want to give your work away and I don't recall that they take 30% either.

However, the bigger point is Forrest' s point (which I've made it myself ocassion), I can see that some artists may well just call it a day when they are finding it more difficult to cover their costs and music will be the poorer for it. Releasing music isn't a 'level playing field' nowadays, just because everyone can do it.

Altus:
Audio quality is far from stellar on YouTube, but for the purposes of sampling or discovering music, it's certainly good enough.

I don't agree that sites like PayPal and Bandcamp are greedy for taking a cut. They're businesses. They have overhead costs and staff that need to be paid. This money has to come from somewhere.

Regarding Bandcamp, their pricing structure is very fair. By the way, they only take 10%, which is ridiculously low.
http://bandcamp.com/pricing

Ekstasis:

--- Quote from: petekelly on March 30, 2014, 08:40:38 AM ---Yeah, Youtube's audio quality is very poor, but I think that it shows that we live in an increasingly visually orientated culture, where people (the majority of ?) prefer to listen to music with a visual element.

--- End quote ---

You are right about that! I must say I dislike since it is a cheap trick to fill essence into the music.. the music should create the pictures inside for you.. that should be enough..  Many times I have found certain music or songs been boring but with a visual element they become interesting..  Record labels are using this cheap trick to promote new music..

If you have plans to make a living of your music you should probably be wise and choose a genre that attracts a wider mass.

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