Author Topic: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'  (Read 19680 times)

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2014, 04:29:11 AM »
welcome to the world of Steve Roach - there is a huge back catalogue for you to discover.....enjoy - look on Steve's website - there are often discs on special offer....

Aye, thanks Seren. Have checked a good few on Spotify. Thoroughly enjoying my Desert Collection Vo1 disc, (hope there will be more in this series) and as I mentioned the Structures From Silence discs plus the new one. Excellent stuff.

Priority (amongst all the other purchases planned  ;) ) is definitely MC and SS and the Mangnificent Void CDs.

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2014, 09:03:07 AM »
Id also recommend 'On This Planet' and 'Light Fantastic'

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2014, 01:09:31 AM »
I'd also put in a vote for "Dreamtime Return." Even though Quiet Music and Structures from Silence were(and still are) tremendous albums, Dreamtime is where Roach turned a corner as an artist. He recorded it after his Australian walkabout in the late '80's and it's inspired most of his work since then. Five stars.
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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2014, 08:15:55 AM »
Although my personal favorite Roach album is "Halcyon Days", I do feel that his 3 best albums that each in their own way are era defining pinnacles of different parts of his career are "Dreamtime Return", "On This Planet" and "Mystic Chords..."

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2014, 09:42:06 AM »
Structures from Silence
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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2014, 06:16:14 PM »
I can say I have the Steve's whole catalog plus some. Well of Souls, On This Planet, Origins/Artifacts, MC&SS Pt 1-4, Immersion series are just a few that I really enjoy and listen to alot. Depending on the mood.  ;)

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2014, 01:22:14 PM »

however there is still too much bass frequencies rumble for my taste, maybe it is a cheap way to flirty with the more mainstream dark ambient listeners . I guess it depends on how deep your bass on your speakers go mine  go about 35hz so kind of deep. This bass drone rumble is just an irritating factor and especially for my neighbours since the bass is penetrating the walls much more then the other frequencies  For me the bass is mixed to loud, and there is really no interesting audio information in that spectrum imo the sonic depth is in the upper mid and high range.

Yeah definitely.

Maybe he's deaf for those frequencies...

I've noticed that too in other tracks from Mystic Chords and Sacred Spaces:

Soulwave

Threshold

It's really annoying.

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2014, 02:58:16 AM »
Show the man some respect ! I'm no Steve Roach fan-boy, but it's obvious he deeply knows what he's doing on a technical level.
A lot of artists use low frequencies to add 'weight' to their material, it's not a 'gimmick' for flips sake.



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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 03:46:54 AM »
A Deeper Silence
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Structures for Silence


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to mix bass on these speakers are probably not a good idea..I hope that it is not his mixing monitors..


Those monitors look like original Mackie HR824.....a very respected monitor.  As to the bass issue I have never heard what is being described. 

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2014, 04:05:09 AM »
Show the man some respect ! I'm no Steve Roach fan-boy, but it's obvious he deeply knows what he's doing on a technical level.
A lot of artists use low frequencies to add 'weight' to their material, it's not a 'gimmick' for flips sake.

Nicely written, Pete, I can't agree more!!!

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2014, 06:18:17 AM »
Low frequency hearing loss is a common thing that happens when you get older.

Steve Roach has been exposed many years to drones, so makes sense to me.

I can't vouch for the Mackies, but my Neumanns KH120 are well known for not having a deep bass and I can ear perfectly that constant rumble that takes away the joy of listening the other sounds that matter.


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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2014, 06:59:53 AM »
I was under the impression, that it was high frequency loss that came with age / over-exposure to loud sound over time.
I think it's more likely that you just don't like the spectral balance of the material.

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2014, 07:27:34 AM »
Can we get a little love for my favorite, "Early Man"?

And I've spent much time with Dream Circle on endless loop...
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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2014, 08:13:09 AM »
Can we get a little love for my favorite, "Early Man"?

And I've spent much time with Dream Circle on endless loop...

need to spin that again....

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2014, 10:00:07 AM »
I don't hear any problems with those tracks. But my hearing isn't great anyhow.

Is the low frequency issue in those MC&SS tracks something that can be demonstrated by studying the wave forms? (I'm not a musician, so I have no idea how the technical end of this works. But it seems like the purported problem is something that could be illustrated objectively rather than subjectively.)


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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2014, 12:23:06 PM »
With all due respect, there is no "Low End issue". These tracks sound great to me and I am sure that the low end is intentional. What this comes down to is a matter of taste. I personally like some nice low end in my ambient music from time to time and even song to song, others here don't. I am not sure anyone could make the leap that this low end is due to a lack of skill, equipment or even something like a person's hearing.

I say this because the low end, love it or hate it taste wise is indeed well seated in the mix and not overblown, crackly or boomy.

Just sayin'
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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2014, 01:24:48 PM »
The tracks here, have in fact that annoying low frequency sound, if you want to connect on skype I can show you. I don't think that sound is musical at all and in fact it sound like a defect. Most comments here seem biased with all due respect.

Just to be clear I like Steve Roach, but I don't understand that decision.


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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2014, 03:26:48 PM »
On a side note:

Ive noticed the most complains about technical issues of other music is coming from members clearly being newbie (with no references at all in music business). Of course, having enough money in today allows anyone to own the "right and respected gear" but unfortunately it needs a bit more than just owning or talking theoretical about it  ;D

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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2014, 04:12:29 PM »
On a side note:

Ive noticed the most complains about technical issues of other music is coming from members clearly being newbie (with no references at all in music business). Of course, having enough money in today allows anyone to own the "right and respected gear" but unfortunately it needs a bit more than just owning or talking theoretical about it  ;D

Well put Tomas.....Im open to all sorts of opinions, hopefully they are humble especially online where you need to back off a fair bit compared to normal one on one dialogue. 

Gear means absolutely nothing when in the hands of a master.   Shall I bring up the master Samurai story with and inferior Katana sword in his hand and the poorly trainer opponent standing before him.  The sword does not matter. The picture is clear.

Im somewhat embarrassed that I have become involved in this silly bass debate, though it is good to see ambient musicians and ambient music lovers (thats pretty sexy) coming together in a single though diverse thread.



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Re: Steve Roach, 'The Delicate Forever'
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2014, 05:54:33 PM »
With all due respect, there is no "Low End issue". These tracks sound great to me and I am sure that the low end is intentional. What this comes down to is a matter of taste. I personally like some nice low end in my ambient music from time to time and even song to song, others here don't. I am not sure anyone could make the leap that this low end is due to a lack of skill, equipment or even something like a person's hearing.

I say this because the low end, love it or hate it taste wise is indeed well seated in the mix and not overblown, crackly or boomy.

Just sayin'


Yeah, I don't get what they're saying either. I love a little low end in my ambient music. Sometimes, I love a lot of low end. The whole discussion has been kind of silly, especially with the personal attacks thrown out there.
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