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petekelly

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Online Mastering ?
« on: August 29, 2014, 07:12:04 AM »
One of John's (JKN) posts over on the RM Ning,
http://relaxedmachinery.ning.com/profiles/blogs/finnish-super-producer-jori-hulkkonen-s-top-7-tips-for-mixing?xg_source=activity
had a link to 'LANDR', one of these online mastering services.  I know these services have been around for a while, but out of curiosity, I thought I'd give them a go - there's a link to free trial below:
https://www.landr.com/promo/UEB-TLM?utm_source=1109

I uploaded a track and lo and behold it was sent back to me 'mastered' within minutes. It was a beatless droney track (like most of my stuff !) and it came back significantly louder and with some eq lifts at around 3K and 80 Hz. It didn't sound too different - just louder. An interesting excercise none the less methinks, will try out some other stuff for further curious-ness.



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Re: Online Mastering ?
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 09:23:02 AM »
I checked the site out.....I like that they hold mastering engineers in high regard and suggest Landr as another approach.  I could see how it could be useful in our "I need it now" world.  Mastering engineers are not always available immediately...you have to get in line.  They also say they will not slam the music...thats good.  Got me curious.

Thanks for the heads up Pete.

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Re: Online Mastering ?
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2014, 11:51:36 AM »
Interesting article from Sound On Sound from 8 years ago
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar06/articles/onlinemastering.htm
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Re: Online Mastering ?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2014, 12:07:21 PM »
I guess I would never trust online mastering in a generic sense. I think that the danger is that mastering is then viewed more as a process rather than being an art, which I happen to believe it to be.

As a process it becomes too much about the tools and what is done in a logistical sense, IE just making a track louder, fit a certain eq profile or whatever.

As an art form it is about presenting a collection of songs as a whole and making sure they hang together and flow as an experience.

A great quote I recently heard from well respected audiophile mastering engineer Stephen Marsh, is that "Mastering is the completion of the process of mixing." He views them as part of the same process and I really think that is true.

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Re: Online Mastering ?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2014, 12:16:25 PM »
A great quote I recently heard from well respected audiophile mastering engineer Stephen Marsh, is that "Mastering is the completion of the process of mixing." He views them as part of the same process and I really think that is true.
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I agree, Paul.  Particularly in genres such as ours where the studio becomes an extension or at least a part of composition itself, mastering is really a continuation of the process of making music.  Ceding that function to an algorithm does not appeal to me.  In using an experienced mastering engineer, I think it's also important for the musician to be an active participant in that process; giving feedback helps to ensure that the results are an extension of your vision.

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Re: Online Mastering ?
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 01:02:31 PM »
Will have a good read of that SOS article David, cheers.

I'm not saying that I think online mastering is a 'good thing' as such, I was merely interested to try out what their algorithms would make of something I mixed and mastered myself - primarily for curiousity's sake really. I'd love to know what their 'ambient algorithm' might be :)

Also, would be interesting to send something really bizarre like a track of white noise or a low frequency sine-wave and nothing else.

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Re: Online Mastering ?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2014, 03:47:52 AM »
The SOS article to my reading of it is still traditional mastering and is what I have done in the past.  Upload music via FTP.  Mastering engineer masters the music.....downloads music for review......several email exchanges with changes......master approved...pay & receive master disk. 

It would be great to attend the session but I have not been able to do so yet.