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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2015, 10:35:46 AM »
And what is your point?  My point is that your comment to Pete was a bit patronizing.  With your last comment, maybe you should quit while your'e behind... ???

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2015, 10:45:12 AM »
And what is your point?  My point is that your comment to Pete was a bit patronizing.  With your last comment, maybe you should quit while your'e behind... ???

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Um, quit what?

I was simply comparing the dynamics of a real instrument that reacts with the laws of physics in the hand of a great ambient music artist, Robert Rich...

So please stay on topic.

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2015, 10:51:37 AM »
And what is your point?  My point is that your comment to Pete was a bit patronizing.  With your last comment, maybe you should quit while your'e behind... ???

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Um, quit what?

I was simply comparing the dynamics of a real instrument that reacts with the laws of physics in the hand of a great ambient music artist, Robert Rich...

So please stay on topic.

Robert is a friend of mine and he doesn't read music, either.  Does this make my opinion of his music or your opinion unreasonably subjective?  ...and...checkmate.

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2015, 11:14:18 AM »
I've studiously ignored all 'Horizon's' pointless retorts and he still has a go at me. In my view, he should have been
banned already, particularly for his pathetic, cowardly attack on Loren recently (which was subsequently deleted).

Out of curiosity, do you play guitar or any other "real" instruments?  Pete's a talented guitar player, too, BTW.

I doubt it, probably more of an internet armchair critic, full of frustration and bile fuelled by second hand information, more like.
Mister 'Horizon', feel free to post anything here you've created that backs up your precious opinions - I presume you don't though...

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2015, 11:19:02 AM »
I removed the post that just annoyed the heck out of me - which was a direct personal attack on Pete from Horizon. 

Several others on here are borderline - mostly because of nudging on from Horizon.

Haven't we figured out by now that music is music and tools are tools and different people make music in different ways?   Many of my favorite musicians never had a class, don't read music, never played anything but a laptop, or plunk around until they get the right sound.

It's like the brilliant author who can't type... and types everything with 2 fingers.

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2015, 11:22:42 AM »
I've studiously ignored all 'Horizon's' pointless retorts and he still has a go at me. In my view, he should have been
banned already, particularly for his pathetic, cowardly attack on Loren recently (which was subsequently deleted).

I agree.  These trolls, who seem bent on inviting conflict (every other word seems to be of the four-letter variety), should be banned outright for making personal attacks.  I've raised these issues before with the moderators.  And I'm dead serious about this.

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2015, 11:24:35 AM »
Yeah, I've had enough.


Warning after warning, constant personal attacks. The moderators spend 90% of our time dealing with just a few people.



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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2015, 11:27:32 AM »
After discussion among the moderators, I've decided to ban Horizon1982 from the Hypnos Forum.


There have been too many examples over too long a time of bad behavior, warnings being ignored, abuse and insults being posted then deleted.
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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2015, 12:07:46 PM »
I should say that I don't take any pleasure from seeing anyone banned here, but in this case, it was warranted (in my view). You can only get away with so much for so long and when people start to retort to repeated unwarranted
personal attacks then they've crossed the line.

I almost regret my last response (which was pretty harsh), but if someone is prepared to dish it out, then they should be prepared to take it too...

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2015, 01:24:12 PM »
Glad that the troll was finally banned, way over due if you ask me.
Take care.

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2015, 01:43:19 PM »
I don't claim to have handled this perfectly, as far as deciding when to ban someone, when to warn them, when to delete or edit posts. I can only say we (meaning myself and the admins & moderators as a group) have tried to be fair and impartial.


I apologize for all the times this forum became an unpleasant place to visit because of disruptive behavior. We'll definitely work to minimize that as much as we can.
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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2015, 02:23:05 PM »
I apologize for all the times this forum became an unpleasant place to visit because of disruptive behavior. We'll definitely work to minimize that as much as we can.

I appreciate that, Mike.  This is one of the few forums I visit regularly because I like the people here and the generally civil and level-headed discussions.

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2015, 03:04:16 PM »
"People are banned too easily?"


I think you'd have a hard time supporting that. This forum has been around for over 15 years and we've only banned a few people, ever, and those bans occurred after numerous warnings, and after the members continued to ignore the warnings and do the same things they had been warned not to do.
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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2015, 03:11:19 PM »

Another thing...


I think some people assume that the level of contention and negativity they themselves are comfortable with are the "correct" levels of contention and negativity, even when they are in a public place and the great majority of other people in that place disagree about what level of contention and negativity are optimal.


When you're in your own home, you get to decide all the rules. Should the lights be on or off? Should music be playing? TV on or off? What should the temperature be?


In a public place, each individual can't decide all the rules because the environment is shared. So what might be suitable for one person, what they might think is "obviously best," might not be what others want.


Is this unfair, or an example of some people being given favorite status? Or is it maybe an example of a public place being fine-tuned to fit, as closely as possible, the preferences of a wide range of people? If your preferences are outside the norm (for example, if you favor a style of discussion that is more confrontational) you might be happier if you accepted that fact, rather than assuming everyone else is always being unfair to you.
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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2015, 01:27:12 AM »
Mike (and the moderators) have adopted a very liberal approach here to banning. There have been very few bans and those were undertaken were done so for very good reasons. It takes a lot to get banned here.

On a related note, When posts are disrespectful in tone or downright rude and / or peppered with swearing (which isn't very clever), it becomes easy not to show any interest in them.
I understand there can be problems with language regarding people for whom English isn't their mother tongue, but bleating about using subtle wordplay and the like to make 'subliminal attacks' is frankly rubbish. It's very rare when someone has a go at someone without being provoked.

This forum has been around for years before I joined (about 9 years ago), I think it has real value and I'd like to see it carrying on into the future. For god's sake, there aren't many places where we can talk about the things that we do, without boring the life out of our wives/partners/friends/family/pets etc !
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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2015, 07:01:16 AM »
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What I mean is, people are getting away with personal attacks using mindgames, sarcasm, irony, but which can have the same provoked effect on the person it is directed at.  So far I have not seen any one getting banned for this reason. Only if you use direct language.


Unless you have any concrete examples of these supposed 'behaviours' to share here, it looks as if you're being overly sensitive / paranoid.

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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2015, 08:14:27 AM »
I can honestly say that I have issued far more warnings to people I feel friendly about, and edited/deleted far more messages written by those people, than forum members I have disliked.


Just because you're only aware of the warnings you have received yourself does not mean other people have not received warnings, including people who might surprise you.


The difference is that if I feel somebody is a good contributor to the forum, and a reasonable person, I have found almost 100% of the time they understand the warning or the edit/deletion of their post, and they have tried to improve and play by the rules. I think this is simply about being a "good citizen" and trying to respect the rest of the group, and realizing that we all make a mistake sometimes.


When a person is constantly arguing that they are being persecuted, or treated unfairly, or repeatedly fighting against the moderators or implying we're being unfair, that indicates to me a person who does not care about respecting a community and is entirely about their own interests and preferences.


A community is larger than any single member, and any single member who thinks the entire community should change to fit their preferences is certain to end up disappointed.
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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2015, 01:49:09 PM »
I've been here since the beginning of the forum - at least pretty darn close. 

Issues have always been handled carefully - long before I started helping out as a moderator - and ever since.  Almost every warning is behind the scenes unless the person has just shown themselves to completely disregard every attempt.

Thankfully ambient music fans aren't necessarily the most riled up unruly group...  I haven't had too many problems over on Relaxed Machinery over the last 5 years (and 2 years more before that as  AtmoWorks).  I've banned I think about 3 maybe 4 people total for being total idiots.   
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Re: iOS - useful for an ambient musician ?
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2015, 07:34:06 AM »
Sorry I haven't returned to discuss more about iOS music making yet Pete, but I thought I'd point out for some other folks that the previously discussed Steel Guitar app is on sale today for free - though there is still a $12 IAP (In App Purchase) for all the rest of the FXs and such. I like it a lot but haven't devoted time to practicing on it yet. (I usually spend most of my music making time in iOS with AniMoog and, recently, iDensity.)

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/steel-guitar/id323813692?mt=8