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Obsidian
« on: January 03, 2016, 08:20:11 PM »
Obsidian Vol 1. (of many)



https://diatonis.bandcamp.com/album/obsidian-vol-1

This album was called "Dark Universe" and does contain remixes of songs I have already released.
This is volume 1 of many.

1. The Call of the Spirits 05:47
2. Shadow Theater 08:12
3. Perpetual Motion 12:59
4. Naga 05:59
5. Spirit Drum 05:53
6. Ohm 08:10

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 01:46:39 AM »
You priced this at $6.66?  Is that a joke?  Because I would never support any artist that is a Satanist. 

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 02:27:48 AM »
I noticed that price also. Not appropriate I feel.

If that is changed I may check the music out, but can you clarify the position Mr Diatonis

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2016, 05:55:01 PM »
I thought with the name Hypnos you might get a clue.

Sorry you feel that way.

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2016, 06:27:52 PM »
I thought with the name Hypnos you might get a clue.

I think it's a legitimate concern for thirdsystem and drone on to have:

"In modern popular culture, 666 has become one of the most widely recognized symbols for the Antichrist or, alternatively, the devil. The number 666 is purportedly used to invoke Satan. Earnest references to the number occur both among apocalypticist Christian groups and in explicitly anti-Christian subcultures. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_(number)

The music from the previews seems dark, but were you intending to invoke/celebrate the devil and/or the AntiChrist by invoking that number??  If so, I could see how some might be offended.

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2016, 03:20:10 AM »
Bit of an odd response to this one. Stuart posts an album and is accused of being a devil-worshipper as he priced it at $6.66.

Can't satanists release ambient music now ? (I'm not implying at all that Diatonis is such a thing, by the way) :) 
If so, the whole dark ambient market will collapse overnight :)

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2016, 08:46:28 AM »
Bit of an odd response to this one. Stuart posts an album and is accused of being a devil-worshipper as he priced it at $6.66.

Can't satanists release ambient music now ? (I'm not implying at all that Diatonis is such a thing, by the way) :) 
If so, the whole dark ambient market will collapse overnight :)

I can't speak for others, but I thought Diatonis' response was kind of flip.  Telling prospective fans to "get a clue"--not a great way to engender good will.  (I'm familiar with his prior work, BTW).

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2016, 11:36:18 AM »
Flip is right.  Get a clue about what?  So the "666" was a joke?  ???

I never accused anyone of being a devil worshipper.  I asked the question if he was a Satanist.  Freedom of speech says express your opinion and believe what you want to believe, and release music if you want to release it.  That's fine.  If you want to worship the Devil, knock yourself out.  But if an artist was a Satanist I would not support anything they do. 

Because there was no denial to my question, I will not even click on the track previews.  Good luck.   

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2016, 12:43:04 PM »
The story;

Check out the members project news, as usual, to support artists who post here.
See the Obsidian topic and interested, follow the link.
Have concerns when see the price listed and ask for clarification.
Receive cryptic, dismissive, flippant reply.
Decision made.

The End



PS Folk can release whatever they want and charge what they want. Just to clarify.

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 12:52:35 PM »
I wonder if there's a "backward masking" bonus track if you pay the $6.66.  8)

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 04:34:09 PM »
Have to say, I'm pretty surprised to see this pricing decision elicit so much drama here. I'm speaking only of the initial responses. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I just assumed this was an artist not as well known for darker ambient music having a little fun with some of the more cliched tropes of the genre. Even if I did have reason to suspect the price reflected a sincere religious conviction, the label "Satanist" is pretty damned uninformative. A self-identified Satanist is at least as likely to be a nature-loving peacenik or a theatrically inclined but otherwise harmless atheist as the depraved caricature the term traditionally connotes.

It's a fine album, btw.

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 10:01:29 PM »
I heartily disagree.  The number symbolizes the antichrist, destruction of God's creation, and hell on Earth.  Not exactly nature loving peacenik from what I can tell.  Also a Satanist and atheist are two completely different belief systems.  But again, no one is accusing here.  It's just an extremely odd number to choose as the price of a download, which could elicit unintended responses from some.  That's all.

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 11:30:41 PM »
Hey Third System, I couldn't help but notice in another thread that you're a big Black Sabbath fan and don't boycott their albums.  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2016, 11:51:38 PM »
Hey Third System, I couldn't help but notice in another thread that you're a big Black Sabbath fan and don't boycott their albums.  ;)

If Black Sabbath ever released an album called, "Get A Clue," I wouldn't buy it!   ;)

(That said, I remember listening to "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" as a kid, but it seemed campy to me.   :) )

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2016, 03:31:05 AM »
Have to say, I'm pretty surprised to see this pricing decision elicit so much drama here. I'm speaking only of the initial responses. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I just assumed this was an artist not as well known for darker ambient music having a little fun with some of the more cliched tropes of the genre. Even if I did have reason to suspect the price reflected a sincere religious conviction, the label "Satanist" is pretty damned uninformative. A self-identified Satanist is at least as likely to be a nature-loving peacenik or a theatrically inclined but otherwise harmless atheist as the depraved caricature the term traditionally connotes.

I agree, the term 'Satanist' is usually bandied around in an uninformed manner. Most so-called 'Satanists' are just playing at it. Pan / negative energy archetypes worship has been around for a long time before it was referred to as anything to do with the christian 'Devil'. I think there are individuals around whose actions are most suitable to be described as 'satanic' - psychopathic individuals in power, who create war and famine for their own goals.

Back on topic, I think Stuart's response may well have been a reaction to a critical initial response.
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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2016, 03:34:40 AM »
 :)
Hey Third System, I couldn't help but notice in another thread that you're a big Black Sabbath fan and don't boycott their albums.  ;)

If Black Sabbath ever released an album called, "Get A Clue," I wouldn't buy it!   ;)

(That said, I remember listening to "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" as a kid, but it seemed campy to me.   :) )


Forest that last statement is Sacrilege  >:( >:( ;) .

Scott . Thanks for noticing that, good to know you read of others class music taste  :)

In respect of Sabbath, I think much of their music and lyrics makes one think deeply about life, the universe and everything. Both sides of the coin. This is a good thing.

Hey at the end of the day I personally was not comfortable with the 6.66. Humble apologies for mentioning it. I also felt the reply was poor. At the end of the day there has been a discussion and opinions shared. This is also good. The lad has had a fair bit of interest generated , perhaps said pricing is a good marketing tool.

Each to their own. Love , peace and harmony is the way forward  :)  ;)

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2016, 10:17:42 AM »
Most of the critical/questioning comments following my initial post are just not worth responding to.  So I won't. 

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2016, 07:45:02 PM »
Have to say, I'm pretty surprised to see this pricing decision elicit so much drama here. I'm speaking only of the initial responses. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I just assumed this was an artist not as well known for darker ambient music having a little fun with some of the more cliched tropes of the genre. Even if I did have reason to suspect the price reflected a sincere religious conviction, the label "Satanist" is pretty damned uninformative. A self-identified Satanist is at least as likely to be a nature-loving peacenik or a theatrically inclined but otherwise harmless atheist as the depraved caricature the term traditionally connotes.

It's a fine album, btw.

Yeah, a lot of Satanists are like that. They basically view Satan as a part of nature but in the background. The self is more emphasized than Satan.

That being said, I don't blame people for being uncomfortable with Satanism and the occult in general.
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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2016, 08:03:58 PM »
I was finding it peculiar that both Third System (who took my ribbing gracefully) and Drone On are self-proclaimed Black Sabbath fans but still took offence to (what I am guessing was intended humourously for a black ambient album presentation) a number overused in pop culture and jokes (ie "668 - the neighbour of the beast") and with a decimal point which really makes it a different number.

I did note that you can buy the 6 tracks individually for .99 each = $5.94    ...     Problem solved!   :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sabbath_%28album%29

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Re: Obsidian
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2016, 09:48:18 PM »

I did note that you can buy the 6 tracks individually for .99 each = $5.94    ...     Problem solved!   :)


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