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Re: The Art of Listening.....a movie
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 03:58:59 PM »
I didn't play the video.  A movie about the so called "art of listening" is likely to ruffle my feathers.

However, I am very interested to know what the phrase "art of listening" means to the forum in the context of listening to music recreationally, professionally or both. 

The glaring omission of the scientific aspect of listening from the title of the movie enables pretentiousness, so perhaps it would be prudent to discuss what the "art and science of listening" means to you.

Internet rules written in stone dictate the first response to this unexpected thread interjection should come from the OP, our very own and recently MIA, Julio Di Benedetto.

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Re: The Art of Listening.....a movie
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2017, 05:40:59 AM »
Julio: That seems to be an interesting documentary with a partly really good soundtrack (e.g. "Sps").
We wonder what the point of the film will be. Is the point that music should tell more from the soul when produced with high end equipment or is the point that music should be listened better ways to fully get its intent and content?
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Re: The Art of Listening.....a movie
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 06:08:36 AM »
Looks intriguing, I'm particularly interested in the 'mobile listening' thing - people listening to music on their devices through earphones, whilst out and about.

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Re: The Art of Listening.....a movie
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 07:25:32 AM »
The movie intrigued me also and its direction is not obvious from the trailer.  I thought it was most interesting when it was said that this is the best time, historically to "listen to music" technologically speaking and yet it maybe the first time that music is consumed as a casual sensory accessory due to mobility which asks is that the best environment to listen?  What is the best environment?  Music does not come with listening instruction generally though some do explain unique recording situations that are important to fully appreciate the listening experience.....perhaps the best experience of music is the concert for both the performers and the audience.  The interactiveness.  The complete immersion!  Lots to think about.

Tardigrade my own thoughts on this from a personal perspective.....I listen to music all the time which is mostly of my own in creation and during the compositional process I listen much more then I actually record. The two have to coexist no doubt and all musicians do it in varying degrees.  As a music lover/fan I feel being a musician is a disadvantage because I find myself still working when Im listening, analyzing, figuring out structure, separating the sonic layers to a piece and often missing the actual experience of enjoying the music.
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Re: The Art of Listening.....a movie
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 09:36:16 AM »
Kind of an ambiguous premise.  Live and recorded music are really created for different settings and experiences, so is the film about that or about how the listener can or should approach music in general?

As a longtime listener, I enjoy listening to music the old-school way, preferably sitting down and wedged between some nice speakers or with decent phones.  But I'm not sure there's a right or wrong way to listen, as long as it does something for you.  My mindset for creating music is a completely different thing.  I'm usually between trying to preserve the moment and trying to realize something that's either in my head or sketched out beforehand, but I'm not thinking out whether my potential listeners are going to be hearing the piece at home or on the train.

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 04:43:30 PM »
After thinking about it, I don't think there is an art to listening for consumers.  Art implies creation.  There might be an art to listening during musical creation, but most musicians don't have unique or creative methods of listening during production.  It generally boils down to: does this sound good through trusted speakers and headphones at various volumes.   

Except for me, because I make sure my music sounds good underwater.  If it sounds good underwater, it will sound very good in air.  ;)

I'm still not sure what the movie is about.  Maybe I should watch the trailer.  I'll have to wait for a day when I can risk a feather ruffling.       

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2017, 05:28:58 PM »
Tardigrade:

You say there is no art of listening for the music listeners. As an artist who creates and also as a listener I do my settings. You also do. Think about the mastering session of your music playlist.

You even create new soundworlds very easily while listening. I always do so. For example: Turn your head or move between your soundsystem, alter your thoughts while listening, listen on studio devices or in a concert hall, listen on open or closed headphones.

I sometimes was sitting in a church with headphones on for instance.... It is all about how you hear and experience the music and thats the art of listening.
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Re: The Art of Listening.....a movie
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2017, 11:03:04 PM »
This is the art of listening, its about listening, about the experience and the creation of sonic art in the  heart mind of this listener
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Re: The Art of Listening.....a movie
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 12:35:44 AM »
This is the art of listening, its about listening, about the experience and the creation of sonic art in the  heart mind of this listener
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Hi Julio, I watched the first piece on the video.  It is interesting, but a bit romanticized and it only captures part of the process--the recording.  I think that the preproduction/postproduction, as unglamorous as it may be, can be just as important, especially when studio effects are an integral part of the atmosphere of the overall piece and when a piece is as through-composed as this one was.  The video also captures a piece primarily as a performance.  My pieces generally are not realized as single real-time performances, because of the layering of different instruments and sonic processing that I back into what I've already recorded.  Sometimes I use sonic bits that were recorded years apart.  I wasn't even sure that the melody in the video originated from the Korg MS-20 that he appeared to be playing.  I have one, and I don't think they sound that crisp, even with digital reverb.  My experience has been that a lot of the creative process can be uninteresting to watch, especially the parts showing frustration when a bit doesn't work.  ;)  Maybe it was just the slickness of the video that irritated me a bit.

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Re: The Art of Listening.....a movie
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 08:32:29 AM »


Hi Julio, I watched the first piece on the video.  It is interesting, but a bit romanticized and it only captures part of the process--the recording.  I think that the preproduction/postproduction, as unglamorous as it may be, can be just as important, especially when studio effects are an integral part of the atmosphere of the overall piece and when a piece is as through-composed as this one was.  The video also captures a piece primarily as a performance.  My pieces generally are not realized as single real-time performances, because of the layering of different instruments and sonic processing that I back into what I've already recorded.  Sometimes I use sonic bits that were recorded years apart.  I wasn't even sure that the melody in the video originated from the Korg MS-20 that he appeared to be playing.  I have one, and I don't think they sound that crisp, even with digital reverb.  My experience has been that a lot of the creative process can be uninteresting to watch, especially the parts showing frustration when a bit doesn't work.  ;)  Maybe it was just the slickness of the video that irritated me a bit.

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Hi Forrest.....with a video like this we have to throw in the "art of watching" as well ;D.  As I was consider what actually is the art of listening I came across this video and I do love the music but there was something more to it or more to it for my experience and Im wondering if listening has just as much to do with all our senses, not only what our ears perceive but also what we see, smell and even taste strange as that may sound.

The last piece in the video shows a little party followed by a performance and listening to it while I was watching it sipping a glass of wine I was completely involved in the experience on many levels.  Actually being there would be completion.

I guess what Im getting at is that I feel a performance maybe the apex of the listening experience...not sure where the art part comes in....I recall as a teenager listening to my Rush albums immersed with headphones looking at the jacket photos and reading the lyrics and then I went to see Rush in concert,  The Permanent Waves Tour. it was my first live performance of any style of music.  I was blown away, the sound, the energy, the lights, the musicians performing, the audience that I was a part of.  My favorite songs coming alive.

The act of listening to music is clearly a personal experience as is the creation of the music.  Music is an art form but it does not exist as does say painting or writing.  Music does not have three dimensions in time and space......could this means it requires something more to be truly heard?

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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 12:14:52 PM »
Thanks for posting the second video Julio. I LOVE the string part in the last piece (asides the piano that I do not like).

One of the most beautiful little strings concerts that I ever heard. Wow. Natural playing, natural theme (a slightly japanese theme I would say).

When the art of sound composition meets the art of playing meets the art of listening.
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