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Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 24, 2012, 03:36:20 AM »
jkn, thanks for interesting article. But the font... I had to enhance it 4 times to be able to read the

APK, I agree with you. Still, iTunes have a huge percentage of the market so it's rational to use their stores. Bandcamp is great, but it's not an aggregator and all your success depends on your own promotion. What I like about BC is that they pay you instantly. There are no fees, waiting periods, nothing, just 15% commission. But personally I wanted something new (like a child, haha) and try to risk and get into iTunes. Will see how it goes. If no success, I will keep only bandcamp, probably.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 23, 2012, 12:14:16 PM »
As far as I know, it's always 30%.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 23, 2012, 02:55:03 AM »
Yes, I found some website earlier which sells bar codes for 10$ or so. But still, it's a matter of principle to me. I hate hidden fees. At very least CDB should advertize their services like this: 49$/album + 20$/barcode. Because without it, those 49$ are no use, you can't even upload your album or pay them 49$ if you do not buy a bar code from them (or from somewhere else). Unless they imply, that every music producer by default has bar code in his pocket somewhere. That's just shady advertizing. Why do other aggregators/distributors manage to offer barcodes for free? And their services are much cheaper than CDBaby's.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 22, 2012, 05:52:44 AM »
Yeah, I created an account on CDB too. Actually I was reading about online distributors for two days now... While CDB isn't the cheapest, they most definitelly are most reliable, judging by random reviews. So in a future I am considering putting my whole discography on CDB unless I find something better.

Yesterday I found out about RouteNote's service, which sounded too good to be true. I mean, they are like Bandcamp and free (keep 15% commission) but sell on 7 stores including iTunes, Spotify and Amazon. The big downside is that it takes 45 days to retrieve the payment from them and also I saw some complaints about them not putting music on iTunes on time etc. Some guy waited 6 months. Also the minimum amount is 50$. Until your balance reaches it, all money are kept by RouteNote.

So I was right, if a service is cheap, there is probably something fishy going on.

Anyway, I took the offer (25$ per album) by TuneCore and uploaded my latest release to their website. Just gotta make sure to disable auto-renewal, haha.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 21, 2012, 11:42:19 AM »
Thank you, guys. I think it all comes down to this: CDBaby offers lesser risk but lesser pay off (at least in a first year), while TuneCore is about bigger risk but bigger pay off, since they do not take commissions from sales.

However, if one signs up with CDBaby, he is bound by it forever, but at the same time they keep your music forever at their site (because of 9 to 25 percents of commission, depending where the most sales are coming from.)

At the end of the day, CDBaby is better than TuneCore longterm wise.

When I started, I wasn't even intending to sell either, as it was and is just my hobby, despite my wishful thinking producing music as full time job in a far future. Even my album on bandcamp are set to "pay what you want" model for that reason. I was and am concerned more about overall visibility than monetary profit. But seeing, that my albums sell even when it isn't required to pay for them I thought why not just try a fixed price with some other distributor.

So I am still on a fence. I really wanna try this thing with TC (because of current discount), on the other hand, I want my music to stay on sites that I choose to sell from for as long as possible, and CDB is a way to go for that matter.

Thanks again for replies. If I want to choose TC, I gotta think fast, but with CDB I can wait few months, as I doubt their fees will get bigger any time soon.

Everything and Nothing / Re: CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 21, 2012, 05:42:58 AM »
Thanks for the reply, jkn,

I am on bandcamp for over a year now and I like the service, but I'd also like to be on iTunes and some other places, and the only option is to choose third party distributor, and now have to decide between CDBaby and TuneCore (as it offers 50% discount for first year, that is only 25$).

So I am only concerned about digital releases so CDBaby's physical CDs do not interest me and I highly doubt that in far future I will change my mind. I checked some other distributors too, but so far, I like best what TuneCore and CDBaby has to offer. What I dislike about CDBaby (and bandcamp) though is that they take percentage of the revenue, and this percentage is much higher if an album is bought directly from CDBaby. On top of that, when they promote their service, they mention only 49$ per album in their ads, but they do not mention, that artist will have to pay additional 20$ for barcode, one only discovers it when tries to sign up. So that changed the rules of a game for me.

While TuneCore, even with annual charge of 49$ offers free barcodes, plus lets you keep all your revenue.

I did a math:

Either way, an artist has to sell at least tens of albums (more than 10) in a first year so that they would pay off for him, same with CDBaby, same with TuneCore. So imagine if an artist fails and his music doesn't interest other people: on CDBaby he loses 49+20=69$, while on TuneCore it's 49$ (ignoring the fact that until Aug 22 they offer 50% discount). Only plus, that on CDBaby they stay forever, so it's possible for them to start magically selling after few years...

Furthemore, I disagree with your point that if an artist is selling smaller numbers CDBaby is better, I think it's quite the same with TuneCore. Depending on what number we are talking about, if it is less than 10 albums per year, he practically doesn't earn anything with CDBaby (at least comparing the first year for both distributors). If we remove the 69$ fee for an album (when CDBaby states it's only 49$ which isn't true) and add 9% of commission, the profit can barelly pay off that one time fee. Yes again, album stays on CDBaby and other stores forever, that's a huge plus. But now compare with TuneCore: if an artist sells less than ten albums in a first year, he doesn't lose, but doesn't win either, as the revenue will cover his first years fee only. So in that sense they are very similar distributors. It's easy to lose with either of them.

But the reason I am on a fence is that for now the first album will cost me only 25 dollars, so I think it's worth the risk. If by the end of a first year I will see no progress, I will terminate the contract and they won't take money from me for the second year. I will lose only 25 dollars, but that's unlikely, as some people expressed interest in my music being sold on iTunes (mostly americans).

(feel free to correct me where I am wrong, because I really wanna make an informed decision)

P.S. I would agree, that for a record label CDBaby is better choice though.

P.S.S. so over all, until august 22 (few hours left) I have a pretty good deal for a first album. No commissions plus 25$ or 9 to 25% plus 69$.

But yeah, if I decided to upload my full discography, I would choose CDBaby over TuneCore, but I don't have that much money and if I did it wouldn't pay off even in a second year or third year probably. I would be interested in the experience of the other artists though.

Everything and Nothing / CDbaby vs TuneCore?
« on: August 20, 2012, 04:43:34 PM »
Edited topic.

Question may sound stupid, but I checked only today the requirements for that and the best way would be going with a third party (cdbaby, tunecore etc.) But would these ~50 dollars a year pay off or not so much? When you think about it, it's not that big amount of money to invest, but to me, even for a year it's quite much, unless it was possible to distribute all my albums for that price, then it would be totally worth a try, even if it didn't pay off. I know it all comes down to a fan base, but still, I saw many obscure artists selling there and was interested to give it a try myself.

Also, how about you guys, who sell on cdbaby, tunecore and elsewhere, any losses, pros and cons?

P.S. only now noticed the difference between cdbaby and tunecore. Former takes commisions, but require only one time payment for an album, the latter do not take commisions but you have to pay every year to keep album live.

I checked on google all the pros and cons, but left undecided.

P.S.S. What CDbaby doesn't tell is that the actuall price is not 49$ for an album, but 49$ + 20$ for stupid bar code. Just found out when tried to register. So I won't be able to sell music even digitally without this bar code? I guess tunecore is more transparent in this regard, they offer it for free, so they don't have hiden charges unlike CDbaby.

Forum Member Projects News and Promotion / Re: Altus - ECOTONE
« on: November 19, 2011, 09:06:51 AM »
No matter how banal this may sound, but it's probably one of the best Altus albums. Those beat parts I didn't expect but it fitted so well that I love those tracks. But my absolute favourites are "Crossing That Vast Boundary" (listening now to it) and "Catching a Glimpse" (very cinematic). Will update the post if I happen to notice more incredible things. But nonetheless, brilliant album.

Thank you for it, Mike. And thanks for all the inspiration. I love your style, kinda tried to mimic it a little bit in my latest remake of "The Earth Is Blue" I'm working now (for my next live perfomance), a symphonic 10 minute long space ambience.

Art and Literature, Movies and TV / Re: Doin' the right Thing?
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:40:22 AM »
Personally? I LOVED IT. Mainly because (I suspect) I saw it in cinema and not pirated version on my computer, but the FX and action was top notch (again, according to my standards).

Also I am a huge fan of the Carpenter's THE THING. Actually, it is the best horror movie I have ever seen (and I am not a rookie in horror genre, hehe). So anyway, the prequel was great. Best movie of the Year definitelly.

Everything and Nothing / Re: Advice topic for newbies (live performers)
« on: November 10, 2011, 06:21:15 AM »
Thank you all for replies! Appreciate very much, and also very thanks for jkn for the link :)

Everything and Nothing / Advice topic for newbies (live performers)
« on: November 07, 2011, 09:52:02 AM »
Hello, I don't know if there is a topic somewhere of such kind, but anyway.

I'd like to hear some suggestions or advices from more experienced (doesn't matter your age, but I believe most of you are way older than I am  :) ) pro or amateur musicians here (I can't call myself a musician though, but I'm workin on it). I don't know, just general stuff, what to do or not to do on the stage or some of your own stories of first live or semi-live events.

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: newbish question about audio interface
« on: October 13, 2011, 01:34:01 PM »
thanks, I'll try installing asio later :)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: newbish question about audio interface
« on: October 12, 2011, 01:58:11 PM »
Actually I just tried my keyboard on my desktop computer without any external audio interface (just internal audio chip, you know, that which goes on all motherboards) the the latency was very small. Unlike, I think, would be if I tried same thing with a laptop (which is Lenovo n500, suprise suprise). That's why I hope behringer will solve this problem.

Yeah, I am talking about the latency when you hit the key and hear the sound. Though I will probably not use any keys (noob in this field at the moment), just knobs for different FX and mod wheel.

Thank you all for replies :)

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / Re: newbish question about audio interface
« on: October 12, 2011, 11:59:31 AM »
thanks. yeah, I will test it. Actually I tried something similar one year ago with much better external audio card, desktop computer and a keyboard but I lost in all the functions, and I failed to connect it correctly and couldn't hear any sound.

So I was thinking maybe I am missing some crucial part :D

By the way, how the sound signal passes through, when I hit the key, the information travels to software and then software sends signal to audio interface which then produces sound (with a help of speakers)? If that's correct, then there should be the same latency as if I had no external audio card and connected speakers directly to my headphone jack of laptop. Or am I wrong?

That little thingy uma222 has only one input (L and R) and one output (L and R) + headphone jack. I am curious, is it possible to connect all of this more directly than I showed in a picture?

Music Gearheads Tech Talk / newbish question about audio interface
« on: October 12, 2011, 11:41:42 AM »
Hello there,

So I'd like to know if I bought all the right things for live performance and if so, how to connect it correctly.

I have a laptop with 4 usb ports, usb midi keyboard (I will use software synths and fx) and an external USB audio interface (behringer uma222).
So could I connect all of this and play with low latency or am I missing something?

I imagine I should connect midi keyboard through one USB port, then audio interface through another, then connect some external speakers to that interface and then that's it?

I drew a picture  ;D (see attachement)

Computers, Internet and Technology / Re: Myspace - Thats it
« on: August 18, 2011, 02:02:46 PM »
I agree a thousand times. And the reason I hadn't deleted my accound (yet) is because I still think it's worth to have it for promotional purposes (not that I use it anymore, just for being able to be found through the google).

And nope, I am not a facebook fan either. Neither Soundcloud. I prefer Bandcamp, personally.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Recent music purchases
« on: August 18, 2011, 01:59:06 PM »
"Nova" by Hydra Coil. A must hear cinematic ambient album.

Other Ambient (and related) Music / Re: Darkened Soul
« on: May 15, 2011, 12:26:07 PM »
bandcamp is great, but the 200 download credit limit sucks a little bit. But I like it anyway, very minimalistic, no ads, just music and peace.

So in May 2 of 2011 I self-released my fourth solo album and first EP titled "A Moment Of Stillness".
The magnificent artwork was made by Evaldas Arlauskas ( It brilliantly finished my vision of the album.
I also made one video of one of the 5 tracks and two more videos are coming (hopefully) in the near future.

Track list:

1. A Moment Of Stillness  06:26   
2. Billions And Billions  05:14
3. Lights In The Sky  07:44
4. Solar Eclipse  03:27   
5. Twilight  04:16

Run time: 27:07 (FLAC/WAV/VBR/Ogg) (320k/FLAC/VBR V0/AAC/Ogg/ALAC) (320k)

That's amazing, sir. Mesmerizing, like liquid fire, or surface of the sun through green lense.

I was doing videos for my own tracks too recently. I just took video excerpts from documentaries ("Cosmos" series) and some videos on YouTube etc. Found great time lapse shorts and was going to make the long 7-8 minute video for one of my tracks from upcoming EP this week. I am really bad at editing though...

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