Currently listening, part 1

[APK]

This evening

- Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Michael Brook - Night Song

I think this was from 1996, and a class piece of groove/vocal ethnic it is. Gets regular play here.

[SiF]

1st 3 discs of mystic chords and sacred spaces on shuffle. i think this might be one of the most underrated sets ever. steve was/is in the zone.

Yeah. That was perhaps on of the best buys i have ever did.
Great Set of Music.

[Parallel Worlds]

Vidna Obmana - Opera For 4 Fussion Works Act 2 : Phrasing the air
V/A - Chaos lovers
Ian Boddy - The Final Question
Depeche Mode - Playing The Angel
Five Thousand Spirits - Mesmeric Revelation

[jblock]

On a fusion kick:

Jean-Luc Ponty: Live
Tony Williams: Spectrum (Anthology)
Billy Cobham: Total Eclipse
CTI All-Stars: California Concert

[Undershadow]

Well talkingmakesnosense will not release on waterscape. its hard for him to record new music, so a 3" wont happen in the near future.

Fair enough, but I wouldn't've thought 20 minutes of new music would be that hard to come up with.

The same goes for Lähtö. Unfortunately. But different reasons.
Watch here.
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Seems like he's beating himself up unduly. Lähtö's stuff was quite markedly influenced by other artists (not just Hammock, but also Eluvium, Sigur Ros, Tim Hecker, Fennesz), but I thought he did enough to make it his own. The line between plagiarism and intertextuality/recontextualiztion has become blurred anyway, as notions of authorship and originality have been problematized. Sure, own up to an error of judgement, but to jack it all in seems rather extreme as a self-punishment.

But i will listen to the Samples of David Tagg for sure.

David Tagg's Waist Deep Seas of Milk is an enveloping immersive altered guitar-scape that I rate very highly. Thinking about it, though, he may not be inclined to release on other labels as he owner/co-owner of two already, Expanding Electronic Diversity and Second Sun Recordings (with Milieu aka Brian Grainger), and has already put out a frightening (almost as frightening as his sidekick Milieu) amount of stuff the past year or so.

[petekelly]

'The line between plagiarism and intertextuality/recontextualiztion has become blurred anyway, as notions of authorship and originality have been problematized.'

Alan, could you explain your point a bit more lucidly ?. I'm curious as to what you mean by this statement.
How has the the issue become 'problematized' ?  - is it a problem ? 

Transcontextuations !
Pete

[uhurit]

Just bought David Tagg's 'Waist Deep Seas of Milk'  : great music!!!!  I am always suspicious of the guitar drone/ambient music, wary of those guitars somewhere in the middle of the disc turning from soothing drones into wailing post-punk whatever. This CD is truly remarkable ambient/drone music, and the artist definitely deserves wider recognition.

[jkn]

'The line between plagiarism and intertextuality/recontextualiztion has become blurred anyway, as notions of authorship and originality have been problematized.'

Alan, could you explain your point a bit more lucidly ?. I'm curious as to what you mean by this statement.
How has the the issue become 'problematized' ?  - is it a problem ? 

Transcontextuations !
Pete

Holy cow that's a mouthful, Alan.   But oddly enough - I think I know what you're saying and agree with you.

[Undershadow]

'The line between plagiarism and intertextuality/recontextualiztion has become blurred anyway, as notions of authorship and originality have been problematized.'

Alan, could you explain your point a bit more lucidly ?. I'm curious as to what you mean by this statement.
How has the the issue become 'problematized' ?  - is it a problem ? 

Transcontextuations !
Pete

Holy cow that's a mouthful, Alan.   But oddly enough - I think I know what you're saying and agree with you.

Heh. Thanks for that, jkn. Well, Pete asked for it... so, yes, I'll bite, though you should know that 'lucidity' isn't one of my virtues ;-)
At the risk of typecasting myself as the resident pseudo-intellectual ;), some of the ideas to do with the authorship issue (and yes, it IS a problem, or at least, it has been problematized) can be found in the opening paragraphs of this chapter from a textbook on Semiotics. Caution is advised, though; bedtime reading it is not: http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem09.html
What it says about "text" and "writer" and "language" is, arguably, applicable to the context of music composition, and underlies my comment on Lähtö's admission of appropriation of Hammock's musical text.

[Undershadow]

Just bought David Tagg's 'Waist Deep Seas of Milk'  : great music!!!!  I am always suspicious of the guitar drone/ambient music, wary of those guitars somewhere in the middle of the disc turning from soothing drones into wailing post-punk whatever. This CD is truly remarkable ambient/drone music, and the artist definitely deserves wider recognition.

I agree. WDSoM is getting regular spinnage in this listening space.

[APK]

'The line between plagiarism and intertextuality/recontextualiztion has become blurred anyway, as notions of authorship and originality have been problematized.'

Alan, could you explain your point a bit more lucidly ?. I'm curious as to what you mean by this statement.
How has the the issue become 'problematized' ?  - is it a problem ? 

Transcontextuations !
Pete

Holy cow that's a mouthful, Alan.   But oddly enough - I think I know what you're saying and agree with you.

Heh. Thanks for that, jkn. Well, Pete asked for it... so, yes, I'll bite, though you should know that 'lucidity' isn't one of my virtues ;-)
At the risk of typecasting myself as the resident pseudo-intellectual ;), some of the ideas to do with the authorship issue (and yes, it IS a problem, or at least, it has been problematized) can be found in the opening paragraphs of this chapter from a textbook on Semiotics. Caution is advised, though; bedtime reading it is not: http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem09.html
What it says about "text" and "writer" and "language" is, arguably, applicable to the context of music composition, and underlies my comment on Lähtö's admission of appropriation of Hammock's musical text.

Interesting topic.

I think problematized is preferable to it being called a problem. The semiotic, and general postmodern, stress on intertextuality is a highlighting of the power of influence; that text and music production do not arise in a vacuum, but on the backs of precursors, from which it must borrow. New authors/composers re-write and re-arrange what has gone before, they don't create ex nihilo, and they therefore owe a great deal to the tradition in which they are nurtured ... it is what they work with, and within. But of course, we know this already, and its not really a problem. Its just that authorship, and the notion of author, are constituted within this system of exchanges, and can not be free from it. Appropriation is the name of the game, whether we like it or not. And whether we admit it or not. So given that authors must borrow, the notion of authorship is problematised. But not eradicated. We still attempt to make things our own and put our slant onto what we have borrowed and absorbed. Borrowing only becomes a problem with a shift in the direction of wholesale quoting or mindless mimicing (?) of other works, and leads to plagiarism of a bad sort when this quoting is not owned up to. The extreme is the cover band that pretends the works are their own compositions.

The upshot is that originality is somewhat overrated and misguided, especially in the western "culture of the individual"

But enuf of all that. Time for chardonnay,  and a new episode of Lost !   :)

[SiF]

Well talkingmakesnosense will not release on waterscape. its hard for him to record new music, so a 3" wont happen in the near future.

Fair enough, but I wouldn't've thought 20 minutes of new music would be that hard to come up with.

The same goes for Lähtö. Unfortunately. But different reasons.
Watch here.
http://bulletins.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bulletin.read&messageID=5470480571&MyToken=703d61c1-a125-44dc-b61f-72b4e5c9f26e&hash=MIG3BgorBgEEAYI3WAPyoIGoMIGlBgorBgEEAYI3WAMBoIGWMIGTAgMCAAECAmYDAgIAwAQIqQ3Fqn0HMhYEECIWCTmlaFOocQNAOJG2JNIEaB4bdff9jVmQ13SC4OQ5Cymg1PdwTPVYnUNm2yVafaPSCJpWJ2CWD%2fZSD8xXUPntpMJgzd%2fbFuPLf1vY7bcM8qOF9B4QjllSld9RuQVGRRn4z9Whc1gF2%2bj1yCwJWWCZc2FZB%2bEb2Y3H

Seems like he's beating himself up unduly. Lähtö's stuff was quite markedly influenced by other artists (not just Hammock, but also Eluvium, Sigur Ros, Tim Hecker, Fennesz), but I thought he did enough to make it his own. The line between plagiarism and intertextuality/recontextualiztion has become blurred anyway, as notions of authorship and originality have been problematized. Sure, own up to an error of judgement, but to jack it all in seems rather extreme as a self-punishment.

But i will listen to the Samples of David Tagg for sure.

David Tagg's Waist Deep Seas of Milk is an enveloping immersive altered guitar-scape that I rate very highly. Thinking about it, though, he may not be inclined to release on other labels as he owner/co-owner of two already, Expanding Electronic Diversity and Second Sun Recordings (with Milieu aka Brian Grainger), and has already put out a frightening (almost as frightening as his sidekick Milieu) amount of stuff the past year or so.

Hi Alan.

Well i also think that coming up with a 20min Song should not
be that hard, but who am i to judge someone, right? Thats his
business.

I contacted David Tagg and he seems really interested in this
hole idea of releasing on waterscape. Gave me Links to 3
Records. 2 x 3" and one full length. So i can basically choose
which one to release. Thats great.

And yeah, i also bought his "WDSoM".

BTW: The new Taiga Remains is out on Waterscape.
Lovely Guitar Drone Stuff. One of the best i heard in quiet
a while to be honest.

[Joe R]

I agree with the raves here about David Tagg's "Waist Deep in Seas of Milk". This stuff is awesome, in fact I'm listening right now.

[jkn]

speedy j - a shocking hobby
autechre - lp5
medeski martin & wood - uninvisible

[Mark Mushet]

Kiln - Thermals On endless repeat! Lovely stuff and a fitting title. On Infraction.
Richard Chartier - Set or Performance A quiet rumble for "installation style" listening.

Soon to get to Steve Jansen's "Slope"

[spunknik]

been listening to these lately:
M. Griffin-The pulse meditations(over and over again)
Matthew Florianz-Maalbeek and Drie(excellent on the phones)
Rose McDowall/Naevus/Sonver-a couple of songs by each artist on Music Box-Great!
Airport Symphony 1-V/a- Nice music and field recordings
Oh, I just got that Sugarcubes thing that compiles all their studio stuff(I always wanted that)

[jkn]

Mike's Pulse Meditations is really nice - I've enjoyed that on repeat a number of times as well.  :)

I tossed on Speedy J's Loudboxer and Killing Joke's Laugh, I Nearly Bought One compilation for the afternoon try to stay upbeat at work because everyone wanted to get out of there...  (ambient just wouldn't really cut it this afternoon... :)  )

[Parallel Worlds]

KS - ...Live... (rerelease)
TD - Bootleg Box vol.1 cd2
Chris Clark - Empty The Bones Of You

[SiF]

Bass Communion - Ghosts on Magnetic Tape III
well this is certainly my favorite headphone-listening trip

[Parallel Worlds]

Autechre - Untilted
Experimental Audio Research - The Koner Experiment
Tetsu Inoue - Organic Cloud