Started by deepspace, September 24, 2008, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: deepspace on September 24, 2008, 04:36:52 PMI'm reading an academic paper by Timothy Richardson called "Brian Eno and the Music of the Spheres: The Possibility of a Postmodern Church."It's very interesting, and while I'm still getting through it (it's quite heavy going), the basic idea is that culture has, in a way, replaced the role of God in our contemporary society. The unquestioning reverence that we once had for God has been transferred onto Culture, and we maintain this un-tamable massive "being" (or works) by creating more works of art to feed it. Think about how we refer to artists or artworks- there is often a very overt conviction there: One that you could see as approaching the religious. I can think of many times when I've referred to an artist/work as being "impossibly beautiful" or "sublime" - and I've never been a religious kind of person, so maybe that where that gets an outlet. Think of teenagers today worshipping their musical deities. The paper isn't saying that religion (as in the 'transcendant being' up there in the sky) is gone, but that culture and it's works have assumed this position. It's like we need to have something unknowable, omnipotent, and unreachable in our lives, in the face of science and the knowledge of almost everything. We are creating mystery for ourselves.The paper uses Brian Eno as an example of someone creating this mystery- one example is that his early works were some of the first to completely fill up an LP, spacewise, suggesting that these pieces are only previews of something larger (Steve Roach comes to mind here- and Robert Rich's preview album of his night concerts). I'll add some more thoughts from the paper as I get through it. It's very, very interesting stuff. I love thinking about why we make this music. Ambient music I find to be one of the most fascinating genres of all: why do we make such music? Is it a response to our society? What are we saying? And why now?
Quote from: deepspace on September 24, 2008, 05:51:43 PMMeanwhile I would like to read some in depth justifications for your art. Why are you adding to the body of culture? And why?
Quote from: mgriffin on September 24, 2008, 04:52:52 PMI hate to have to say this, but... since the words "Church" and "Religion" and "God" appear above, I need to remind everyone to behave and stop short of heavy religious discussions. I'm not implying at all that I think that's where this is headed, just making extra-sure to remind everyone where we DON'T want to let this go, OK?
Quote from: michael sandler on September 25, 2008, 07:22:23 PMQuote from: mgriffin on September 24, 2008, 04:52:52 PMI hate to have to say this, but... since the words "Church" and "Religion" and "God" appear above, I need to remind everyone to behave and stop short of heavy religious discussions. I'm not implying at all that I think that's where this is headed, just making extra-sure to remind everyone where we DON'T want to let this go, OK?Hear hear. Or is it here here...
Quote from: Seren on September 27, 2008, 02:37:06 PMI think rules are very important in many ways and we get into very subtle discussions when exploring them - we all tend to follow convention in some way or other.....It's important to know what you are doing when you challenge or break rules, not just break them because it's easy. If you don't understand them how can you know what you are choosing to avoid......
Quote from: sraymar on September 27, 2008, 05:47:49 PMQuote from: Seren on September 27, 2008, 02:37:06 PMWhen I think of convention I think of structure like verse-chorus-bridge, or verse with a refrain. Usually with a conventional sound set as well with drums, bass, guitar, standard keyboard sounds like piano, organ, GM type stuff, or their electronic equivalents with some interesting synth sounds tossed in for window dressing, vocals singing melodies with lyrics, string and horn sections. I've never heard a refrain in ambient music, nor a verse-chorus-bridge. The sound set is usually pretty large, and include evolving sounds, many of which don't reoccur in other ambient artist's music. A common thing for jazz musicians to do is play a verse, chorus and maybe a bridge and call that the "head", then go off and improvise for awhile, then after everbody has had their mini-solos, traded eights, etc., they'll go back into the "head" and exit. This does not occur in ambient either to my knowledge.Most ambient stuff I've heard is looped, using strange sounds if not atonal. Sometimes just a simple drone, sometimes a suspended chord made up of individual notes looped and often orchestrated with a different sound for each. Sometimes it gets more involved with recurring looped phrases seperated by a few seconds of silence while other looped phrases play then wait their turn. Some go further and have multiple themes that don't recur. Garth Brooks isn't going to doing this. Anyway these are some of the methods I've noticed and there are others. Steve
Quote from: Seren on September 27, 2008, 02:37:06 PM