Ambient Guitar.

Started by Julio Di Benedetto, November 24, 2018, 05:46:32 AM

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Julio Di Benedetto

Elektron make power full machines and you do pay for that...I had an Elektron Rytm Drum machine a while back.  Amazing sounds and amazingly deep menu diving. Ultimately the architecture of the machine got in the way for me.  The Octotrack apparently takes this to another level and perhaps that necessary for it to accomplish what its capable of.
"Life is one big road, with lots of signs, so when you ride to the Roots, do not complicate your mind, ... "  Bob Marley

http://digitalvoices.bandcamp.com/

petekelly

Quote from: petekelly on December 21, 2018, 10:42:10 AM
Quote from: Remco Helbers on December 16, 2018, 02:46:55 AM
@ Julio: I would suggest to look into the Digitech Freqout... It's more like a sustainer/sustainiac/Infinite guitar in a box. A freeze-type pedal only holds the last note whereas the aforementioned devices are a lot more flexible. I have a Sustainiac built into my guitar.


Bought one of these pedals. Still trying it out, but the juries out on it at the moment...
Having used an ebow for years and recently acquired two sustainer guitars, this sounds a bit 'odd'. It doesn't do 'infinite' sustain, but sometimes it does something similiar. Will report back later after more perusals.

I'm afraid I didn't like this pedal at all. It's okay for single notes, but otherwise it's tracking is poor otherwise and it tends to sound very unnatural (like one of the clangers, for UK folk :)

Remco Helbers

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Quote from: petekelly on December 29, 2018, 08:18:51 AM
Quote from: petekelly on December 21, 2018, 10:42:10 AM
Quote from: Remco Helbers on December 16, 2018, 02:46:55 AM
@ Julio: I would suggest to look into the Digitech Freqout... It's more like a sustainer/sustainiac/Infinite guitar in a box. A freeze-type pedal only holds the last note whereas the aforementioned devices are a lot more flexible. I have a Sustainiac built into my guitar.


Bought one of these pedals. Still trying it out, but the juries out on it at the moment...
Having used an ebow for years and recently acquired two sustainer guitars, this sounds a bit 'odd'. It doesn't do 'infinite' sustain, but sometimes it does something similiar. Will report back later after more perusals.

I'm afraid I didn't like this pedal at all. It's okay for single notes, but otherwise it's tracking is poor otherwise and it tends to sound very unnatural (like one of the clangers, for UK folk :)


@ Pete: Have you ever tried a sustainer/sustainiac? Though you can play more than one note at the time, it seems to prefer single notes (when you play a chord one note becomes dominant and the others fade away). It also depends on where on the neck you play how the notes evolve. It seems the Freqout is similair.

Julio Di Benedetto

In the quest for infinite sustain there are options yet it seems that they all have their limitations.  Im surprised to hear that Sustainiac type pickups behave the way Remco described. The eBow comes across as the the most proficient at producing sustain on a string to string basis.  I have seen 2 eBows taped together to get 2 note polyphony and as I have mentioned there are compression pedals that have long sustain settings available.  Lets not leave out the freeze pedals.  Looper pedals do offer sustained playback so that to is a possibility.

"Life is one big road, with lots of signs, so when you ride to the Roots, do not complicate your mind, ... "  Bob Marley

http://digitalvoices.bandcamp.com/

Remco Helbers

I never liked Ebow to be honest  :-\ By having to hold the thing in your hand you sacrifice the picking hand; You can for instance arpeggiate chords and then let the sustainiac-unit start to work. On the other hand with the Ebow you have the option to determin the distance of the Ebow to the pickup made different sounds possible. Choices, choises....

petekelly

Quote from: Remco Helbers on December 30, 2018, 04:02:52 AM
Quote from: petekelly on December 29, 2018, 08:18:51 AM
Quote from: petekelly on December 21, 2018, 10:42:10 AM
Quote from: Remco Helbers on December 16, 2018, 02:46:55 AM
@ Julio: I would suggest to look into the Digitech Freqout... It's more like a sustainer/sustainiac/Infinite guitar in a box. A freeze-type pedal only holds the last note whereas the aforementioned devices are a lot more flexible. I have a Sustainiac built into my guitar.


Bought one of these pedals. Still trying it out, but the juries out on it at the moment...
Having used an ebow for years and recently acquired two sustainer guitars, this sounds a bit 'odd'. It doesn't do 'infinite' sustain, but sometimes it does something similiar. Will report back later after more perusals.

I'm afraid I didn't like this pedal at all. It's okay for single notes, but otherwise it's tracking is poor otherwise and it tends to sound very unnatural (like one of the clangers, for UK folk :)


@ Pete: Have you ever tried a sustainer/sustainiac? Though you can play more than one note at the time, it seems to prefer single notes (when you play a chord one note becomes dominant and the others fade away). It also depends on where on the neck you play how the notes evolve. It seems the Freqout is similair.

Remco,

Yes, I have two Fernandes sustainer guitars, both work very well. The ebow is more hard work (string skipping noises etc), but works very well in it's own way (very good with dynamics). As I said, this pedal is fine (usually) on single notes, but pretty poor otherwise.

Julio Di Benedetto

Viridian Sun : Solar Noise.....an early Hypnos release from Mike Griffin & David Tollefsen...ambient guitar and more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apEDJdoBh_A
"Life is one big road, with lots of signs, so when you ride to the Roots, do not complicate your mind, ... "  Bob Marley

http://digitalvoices.bandcamp.com/

hdibrell

I should have my Gizmotron installed on one of my guitars by this weekend. I'm anxious to see how well it works. The demos look promising and I like the fact that your picking hand is free to easily switch between the Gizmotron and picking.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kickboxing.

petekelly

Sounds intriguing, interested to hear one of these gizmos. :)

hdibrell

Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to be awhile before mine is up working like it should. After a very frustrating afternoon of installation it is not working the way it should. Granted, I am not the most mechanically inclined person around. I have it on the guitar and it looks great. The bass strings E and A sound good, but the others either sound muted or not musical.I think I am about 90% there as far as proper installation is concerned.I am probably going to take it to a guitar tech to finish the job. I was getting some pretty cool cello like parts on the top strings, but that was it. At least I can hear and see the potential of this device. Meanwhile, there are some interesting demos online and on their Facebook page Gizmotron LLC.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kickboxing.

Julio Di Benedetto

"Life is one big road, with lots of signs, so when you ride to the Roots, do not complicate your mind, ... "  Bob Marley

http://digitalvoices.bandcamp.com/

Julio Di Benedetto

#71
Poor quality video but the bow and the gizmotron produce similar timbres.  I like this guys playing and voice from Sigur Ros. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alp2rzZiSVU
"Life is one big road, with lots of signs, so when you ride to the Roots, do not complicate your mind, ... "  Bob Marley

http://digitalvoices.bandcamp.com/

Julio Di Benedetto

And this.....in the hands of possibly the original bowed guitar master.  What an array of sounds he coaxes out of the guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sarm8rzdY3Y
"Life is one big road, with lots of signs, so when you ride to the Roots, do not complicate your mind, ... "  Bob Marley

http://digitalvoices.bandcamp.com/

Castleview

Quote from: Julio Di Benedetto on January 07, 2019, 06:29:07 AM
Poor quality video but the bow and the gizmotron produce similar timbres.  I like this guys playing and voice from Sigur Ros. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alp2rzZiSVU

Sigur Ros is great. It's been a while since I've listened to Ágætis Byrjun though.

petekelly

Here's a track I released on my 2007 'Hydra' album. It's actually a re-work of a guitar piece I came up with many moons ago. I had forgotten how I originally put it together. Luckily, I had a 4 track version of it which was almost beyond repair, but I  managed to salvage and rework something from it.  There's a lot of processing done on it. The original was a chordal composition played with a volume pedal / lots of modulated delays.

Artwork by Kati Astraeir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruJB7zprQAc

Julio Di Benedetto

#75
Pete, thats dark & beautiful...that was the original four track processed or did you added to it?

I think this sort of timbre can't be had so easily with keyboards....or I should say I can't summon it up with them.

Do you think that guitar as a source of ambient exploration differs from that of keyboard as source because I do.  A drone is a drone is a drone...maybe, as I tune my ears to all things guitar Im beginning to hear what is outside my keyboards sonic palette....not sure though. 
"Life is one big road, with lots of signs, so when you ride to the Roots, do not complicate your mind, ... "  Bob Marley

http://digitalvoices.bandcamp.com/

Julio Di Benedetto

"Life is one big road, with lots of signs, so when you ride to the Roots, do not complicate your mind, ... "  Bob Marley

http://digitalvoices.bandcamp.com/

Seren

That's a very nice sounding track Pete.

Julio, I like creating sounds/drones out of many things - Each sound source has it's own nature and texture that can make a real big difference to the overall sound. Some things can't be created by keyboards, or any other instrument.

The first sound on The Quiet Labyrinth is a panpipe - obviously sculpted and processed, but it is one of my favourite drones due to the shifting of textures.

I also used wineglasses for the last track of Shards (of Ashen Light and Burning Dark)

My Favourite sound is the 'silence' of a hill top where even the wind is not blowing.

Much of my music tries to recreate the movements/sounds/experiences of non human environment - I just love the slow shift from chaos into pattern and back....

hdibrell

Cool track, Pete.I like working with different instruments when composing and recording as I think we approach the music differently with each instrument.Maybe it's because i'm not that good on any instrument,buti do like working that way.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kickboxing.

richardgurtler

I am aware of Juha-Matti Rautiainen's bass guitar dronescaping virtuosity only since last summer, certainly one of the biggest revelations of 2018!!! Watch, listen and enjoy!!!

And also make sure to explore his two albums available through his Bandcamp site, "The Endless Now – Music for Stagnation" CDr (December, 2016) and "Above Me Weeps The Sky" CD (November, 2018). Highly recommended!!!

Richard ;)

https://juhamattirautiainen.bandcamp.com/album/above-me-weeps-the-sky
https://juhamattirautiainen.bandcamp.com/album/the-endless-now-music-for-stagnation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN4f8_6p5nM&feature=share